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Good show Robie (& crew)! That's a pretty impressive effort for someone weeks away from retirement!
I know ex-guide Andy Politz did a similar one-day trip back in the 70's on cross-country gear solo while training for an RMI climb of Everest. The RMI types had the advantage of starting from Muir after stashing overnight gear & descending Paradise Glacier to join your route at Cowlitz Saddle.
I know ex-guide Andy Politz did a similar one-day trip back in the 70's on cross-country gear solo while training for an RMI climb of Everest. The RMI types had the advantage of starting from Muir after stashing overnight gear & descending Paradise Glacier to join your route at Cowlitz Saddle.
Wow. I skied Mt. Townsend today, and saw a big one on a NNE aspect of the ridge E of Iron Mountain as I booted up the gullies above Camp Windy. On the ride down there were consistent small sluffs, nothing big, but I made sure I kept turning AWAY from them until they had stopped.
It looked like the S slopes had slide activity the past couple of days; now it's the other aspects.
Thanks for the warning.
It looked like the S slopes had slide activity the past couple of days; now it's the other aspects.
Thanks for the warning.
I thought I saw some tracks on some of the N coluoirs on Esmerelda.
you hit the sweet spot!
missed it this year but Ive been sneaking in there the last years after the lift close .
missed it this year but Ive been sneaking in there the last years after the lift close .
Andy, you did nothing wrong in not discussing the NWAC info.
I might try to answer this for Nick.
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Great trip and report.
Just curious, your problem with your toe pc - do you think that it was somehow caused by your ski crampon or did you just notice it first because of your crampon? From the pictures it looks like you were using all dynafit equip (skis/bindings). I have heard of others having problems with inserts (binding pulling out / m...
Thanks for sharing this Andy -- must have been a terrifying ride for that guy, glad he made it through unscathed to learn from it.
Nice Randy -- great views up there for sure. We were over in the Esmeralda area. Fortune looked like it was in great shape.
Jealous! I had too much to do last night and didn't get to bed at a time that would allow me to wake up in time to get to Paradise and be functioning. Instead I went out on the lake, but the whole time I found myself gazing at Rainier imagining skiing...
Awesome Zap! I feel your pain, as I've been out recovering from a broken leg since March 20. Hoping to return to the TAY way in July.
Those must've been so satisfying turns!
Those must've been so satisfying turns!
Yeah. It was pretty crowded.
Left the lower lot around 8:45am and got in line. Skin up was great. Frozen to just slightly softened. Ski crampons would have been nice for taking the Pan Point bypass. Wind down low until it was blocked at about Moon Rocks. Started skiing down around 3pm after coffee time. Found lots of unskied areas off towards Anvil Rock and below it. Snow was great until just above Pan Point and then really chopped up on...
Left the lower lot around 8:45am and got in line. Skin up was great. Frozen to just slightly softened. Ski crampons would have been nice for taking the Pan Point bypass. Wind down low until it was blocked at about Moon Rocks. Started skiing down around 3pm after coffee time. Found lots of unskied areas off towards Anvil Rock and below it. Snow was great until just above Pan Point and then really chopped up on...
Great to hear this Zap!
Keep that rehab/PT going and meet the goals. There is a whole lot of stuff left for you.
Was at one of your favs today: Chinook. So much snow there. I think early July will only a few steps to get on snow there.
Keep that rehab/PT going and meet the goals. There is a whole lot of stuff left for you.
Was at one of your favs today: Chinook. So much snow there. I think early July will only a few steps to get on snow there.
Why aren't there wilderness incursions by dirt bike riders up to Colchuck Lake or Mt. Stuart, with them claiming they had no idea dirtbikes weren't allowed back there? My guess would be there's a hell of a lot less tolerance for something like that, on both sides of the coin.
Why is it incumbant on the skier to, "educate the sledders" about wilderness boundaries?
Why is it incumbant on the skier to, "educate the sledders" about wilderness boundaries?
two thumbs up Zap
all the hints you gave me re the RV has paid off
cheers
rob
all the hints you gave me re the RV has paid off
cheers
rob
Congrats, Zap! The season is far from over, glad to hear that you can start to enjoy it.
It's great to hear you're back on skis, Zap.
High Five :)
How is Jill's bionic knee doing?
High Five :)
How is Jill's bionic knee doing?
Nice lines up there! We re-used you skin track and got a few turns in on Monday before the rain hit. Found a single black fleece glove in the uptrack - if it's yours let me know and I can get it back to ya.
author=sizzling carbides link=topic=20987.msg89886#msg89886 date=1307135019]
Lowell, if it is within the law, then it seems to me to be OK. What about that don't you get?
I respect the right of snowmobilers to use the south slopes of Mt Baker as allowed by the law. I have no interest in trying to convince them to do otherwise. By all means, enjoy yourselves (legally).
What I was trying to say is that I disagree with the...
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270253
Just in case you wanted to know what the snowmobilers think...
"Don't engage skiers. They only want to rat you out."
"As far as I'm concerned, until I see a land use sticker on their skis that they pay for, like I have to, they don't have room for complaints."
Is this the impression we want to be making on them? It's obvious that the boundary is unclear t...
Just in case you wanted to know what the snowmobilers think...
"Don't engage skiers. They only want to rat you out."
"As far as I'm concerned, until I see a land use sticker on their skis that they pay for, like I have to, they don't have room for complaints."
Is this the impression we want to be making on them? It's obvious that the boundary is unclear t...
Great trip and report.
Just curious, your problem with your toe pc - do you think that it was somehow caused by your ski crampon or did you just notice it first because of your crampon? From the pictures it looks like you were using all dynafit equip (skis/bindings). I have heard of others having problems with inserts (binding pulling out / miss aligned) on dynafit skis.
Just curious, your problem with your toe pc - do you think that it was somehow caused by your ski crampon or did you just notice it first because of your crampon? From the pictures it looks like you were using all dynafit equip (skis/bindings). I have heard of others having problems with inserts (binding pulling out / miss aligned) on dynafit skis.
author=ebeam link=topic=20987.msg89895#msg89895 date=1307140657]Better education of boundaries per uses will solve the problem for those people wanting to follow the rules. And, my experience suggests most people fit that category.
I would add that making these issues known to the rest of the sledding groups would be a help as well. I have done quite a bit of riding on Mt. Baker, and did not know a bunch of the information that has b...
This has been an interesting and useful TR - the actual trip and the sled discussion.
I appreciate some of the sledders describing how sled travel actually works. That helps me to understand certain behaviors and hopefully helps me not to jump to conclusions about intent (e.g., intimidation or not). Sledders and skiers often do have different perspectives and that can block solutions to conflicts if we don't understand each other. I also caution whether you can have real communic...
I appreciate some of the sledders describing how sled travel actually works. That helps me to understand certain behaviors and hopefully helps me not to jump to conclusions about intent (e.g., intimidation or not). Sledders and skiers often do have different perspectives and that can block solutions to conflicts if we don't understand each other. I also caution whether you can have real communic...
author=Erik Henne link=topic=21034.msg89893#msg89893 date=1307140133]
Was it Rainier beer as the keg cover implies?
Indeed it was; it couldn't rightly be anything else :D
The keg koozy was actually made by one of our guys to try to prevent the beer from freezing overnight up there since the temperatures were foretasted to be below the freezing point of Rainier (~27*F in case anyone was wondering). It worked out great act...
Was it Rainier beer as the keg cover implies?
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg89879#msg89879 date=1307133045]
Snowmobiles around Mt Baker should be restricted to the roads. If you can drive to a place in summer, I don't have a problem with snowmobiles going there in winter. Conversely, if you can't drive there in summer, I don't think you should be snowmobiling there in winter. I won't argue that this rule needs to apply everywhere, but I think it should apply around Mt Bake...
Wow! Sounds like a real party! The Tent Squatter- a new mountain relic has been discovered :D Great TR!
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg89879#msg89879 date=1307133045]
Snowmobiles around Mt Baker should be restricted to the roads. If you can drive to a place in summer, I don't have a problem with snowmobiles going there in winter. Conversely, if you can't drive there in summer, I don't think you should be snowmobiling there in winter. I won't argue that this rule needs to apply everywhere, but I think it should apply around Mt Bake...
Cool trip Trevor!
I'll have to take a closer look at your blog ...
I'll have to take a closer look at your blog ...
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Does anyone know what the courtisy is concerning commenting on TR. with out it being considered a hijack.
I think in general people are very interested to hear whatever information a trip report generates. If you do have specific questions then it's probable that others have posed those questions in the past.
Snowmobiles around Mt Baker should be restricted to the roads. If you can drive to a place in summer, I don't have a problem with snowmobiles going there in winter. Conversely, if you can't drive there in summer, I don't think you should be snowmobiling there in winter. I won't argue that this rule needs to apply everywhere, but I think it should apply around Mt Baker.
Arguments about "restricting other people's freedom" don't...
Arguments about "restricting other people's freedom" don't...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg89835#msg89835 date=1307076342]
Skiers who feel as I do should absolutely not stop going to the south side of the mountain. Be civil to snowmobilers, but don't give up the mountain to them. Keep them honest, as Amar has done.
Lowell is dead on in the idea of keeping sledders honest! We have been working hard on our side of the line to call out violators and make these types...
Thanks for making it happen Trevor, what an epic trip!
Great write up! Too bad the weather wasn't more cooperative for you but an epic trip none the less.
I second Lowell's comments. I also appreciate Amar for making a point of informing the boundary to the sledders he encountered. Now he gets to have people start attacking him for his "attitude" and hinted elitism for simply wanting people to abide by the law. A couple of points I would like to make here:
Making vieled attackes and meaningless arguments doesn't take away from the flagrant violation of a wilderness area. I don't find comments a...
Making vieled attackes and meaningless arguments doesn't take away from the flagrant violation of a wilderness area. I don't find comments a...
author=Amar Andalkar link=topic=20987.msg89855#msg89855 date=1307117746]but restricting certain people's freedom for everyone's overall benefit is necessary in any organized society.How many people use the south side of Mt. Baker for snowmobiling vs skiing in the winter?
What is your definition of everyone?
author=ruffryder link=topic=20987.msg89854#msg89854 date=1307115298">
Have you ever ridden a snowmobile? Just curious.
Mt. Baker is a different form of riding as you are always on a fall line and the mountain is always pulling you down the mountain. Sometimes it is difficult to change direction on the hill after you have started, without being forced to go back down again. Just some thoughts, as what you might think about as intimidation might be...
author=Amar Andalkar link=topic=20987.msg89837#msg89837 date=1307076979]My main objections have always been to snowmobilers' illegal dumping of trash everywhere (beer cans, empty cases, broken snowmobile parts, etc) and illegally trespassing into the Wilderness,very good points, especially the trash. I HATE PEOPLE LITTERING. God damn it pisses me off. Seriously, pack your fricken trash out.
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obviously I don't like snowmo exhaust, but it's no worse than being near a Metro bus starting up from a stop).
My main objections have always been to snowmobilers' illegal dumping of trash everywhere (beer cans, empty cases, broken snowmobile parts, etc) and illegally trespassing into the Wilderness, along with buzzing excessively close to skiers and pedestrians at h...
author=Dustin_B link=topic=20987.msg89718#msg89718 date=1306943815]Did you have a map to show them and help inform them?
We encountered the totally ignorant attitude (and the rest didn't stop). "I'm just following my buddies." "We're just crossing through." "We were told to steer clear of skiers and be respectful of them." (which they were not). All direct quotes.
Thanks,I hope to get back up on the 11th or 18th I saw the temp going up this weekend I had a blast on the 21st and 14th of May and just as you described, lower Nash I thought was a little rutty if you traversed out.
can't wait till I can hit Nash again
Thanks Mike
can't wait till I can hit Nash again
Thanks Mike
Nice definition of proto-corn, Scotsman. And I may even agree with some of your points in the post after that, too.
Personally, I realize that I'll encounter snowmobiles anytime I venture up the south side of Baker while it is open to snowmobiling (over 2 ft of snowpack at Schriebers Meadow). I guess I don't mind them too much compared to some people (obviously I don't like snowmo exhaust, but it's no worse than being near a Metro bus starting up from a stop). It&#...
Personally, I realize that I'll encounter snowmobiles anytime I venture up the south side of Baker while it is open to snowmobiling (over 2 ft of snowpack at Schriebers Meadow). I guess I don't mind them too much compared to some people (obviously I don't like snowmo exhaust, but it's no worse than being near a Metro bus starting up from a stop). It&#...
For me the travesty is to pretend that Mt Baker is wilderness when a big slice of it has been handed over to machines. Giving machines free reign on the south side of the mountain is a blight, in my view. Mt Baker is the grandest and most historic mountain in the North Cascades. It should have been set aside as wilderness in total. Some day I hope it will be.
Skiers who feel as I do should absolutely not stop going to the south side of the mountain. Be civil to snowmobilers, but don&#...
Skiers who feel as I do should absolutely not stop going to the south side of the mountain. Be civil to snowmobilers, but don&#...
Nice Trip Report Amar. Amar, Stephanie Brown, Dave Coleman and Dave Brown , what a great time skiing with you all! So FUN!
To Scotsman: The snowmoers were far out of thier legal boundary, when they were in their legal boundary, there was no complaints or confrontation.
By your argument, we should not ski anywhere in the wilderness at all without expecting 2-stroke fumes. You are wrong.
I like snomo skiing, but not when it is illegal, and not when it opens dangerous cr...
To Scotsman: The snowmoers were far out of thier legal boundary, when they were in their legal boundary, there was no complaints or confrontation.
By your argument, we should not ski anywhere in the wilderness at all without expecting 2-stroke fumes. You are wrong.
I like snomo skiing, but not when it is illegal, and not when it opens dangerous cr...