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It was a really fun climb. I'm not sure about putting wax on your skis though, it might add too much weight ;)
author=JibberD link=topic=21072.msg90162#msg90162 date=1307506876]
the kind of stuff that helps me justify to my wife why I love the sport and frequent this site so often.
It speaks well of you that your wife values having you around. More often than not I have to justify to my wife why I'm not spending at least one of the weekend days doing something outdoors. Being insufferable has its advantages.
Right-click on the image you want and "copy image location", then paste it into the IMG tags.
For the life of me I cannot figure out how to post picts, but here is a link to some picts of the Steezy one on the FF. Photos are done with my android so the quality is not so hot. I think Franklin will have some sweet ones if he posts a link. Great day on the Finger.
Zack
https://picasaweb.google.com/108365037500696236927/FuhrerFingerMtRainier#
Zack
https://picasaweb.google.com/108365037500696236927/FuhrerFingerMtRainier#
Scotsman, if you want to take on the issue of skinning at ski areas that is your prerogative. That tangental subject is not my concern and is not in any way tied to the issue regarding the separation of skiers and snowmachiners in road accessible locations.
If people object to sharing the landscape with other users that negatively impact their use of the resource, it is their right to state their position and try to use the public process to shape policy.
Fairness is...
If people object to sharing the landscape with other users that negatively impact their use of the resource, it is their right to state their position and try to use the public process to shape policy.
Fairness is...
Makes sense and as you say it would stop all the hysteria from BC skiers regarding crossing arbitrary wilderness boundary lines that were drawn without any regards to the natural terrain and logical turnaround or tour end points.
Being 200 ft or 25' from the hut makes no difference in reality, only in ideology.
And the Baker redraw looks absolutely logical.
I like it.
Of course... never happen and I'm sure the response will be " You'll have to pry 500ft of...
Being 200 ft or 25' from the hut makes no difference in reality, only in ideology.
And the Baker redraw looks absolutely logical.
I like it.
Of course... never happen and I'm sure the response will be " You'll have to pry 500ft of...
Like I said, a "shift". The apex of the wedge would take away the Sherman summit area, directly below it, and a taper of the Squak Glacier, while putting the top at a logical, safe spot for riding. The lower parts of the wedge would start at the same spots. So, giving up 500' on the East to have it 500' West at the apex. This would take care of the majority of violations. People only ride to that high point because it is the safest way up and fear for the crevasses. http://ww...
cumulus, where are the photos of you?? From what I could tell, you were the steeziest one on the mountain.
Hannah
Hannah
author=sizzling carbides link=topic=20987.msg90247#msg90247 date=1307580204]
"he said 300m" Yup, but the lookout is only 150-200' in the boundary, so how is it 900'+? It's estimation and hearsay. "Outlaws"=LOL. Sad, sad, quibbling. IMO, the boundary should be shifted to include the Lookout. Also, the apex of the baker NRA "wedge" should be shifted to include the saddle between Sherman Peak and Pooch Peak, rather t...
author=T. Eastman link=topic=20987.msg90216#msg90216 date=1307567833]
Scotsman, the issue is how one activity reduces the value of the experience of other activities.
T.E. I understand your point but sometimes we have to share even if it may not be ideal in certain areas of the mountains.
Lets take your point and turn it around ( admittedly not as serious an issue and somewhat flippant, however).
Skinners and BC skiers in r...
"he said 300m" Yup, but the lookout is only 150-200' in the boundary, so how is it 900'+? It's estimation and hearsay. "Outlaws"=LOL. Sad, sad, quibbling. IMO, the boundary should be shifted to include the Lookout. Also, the apex of the baker NRA "wedge" should be shifted to include the saddle between Sherman Peak and Pooch Peak, rather than at an apex at the summit of Sherman.
author=sizzling carbides link=topic=20987.msg90236#msg90236 date=1307577914]
Parking "just below the lookout" is where you would expect a boundary abiding snowmobiler to park, since the boundary is less that 200' from the porch of the lookout. Maybe the hiker didn't quite know where the boundary was. Doesn't sound like a violation to me, but maybe the WMC should contact the hiker and let him/her know to take pics with more substantial...
author=WMC link=topic=20987.msg90238#msg90238 date=1307578524]
Yes, snowmobile enthusiasts are mostly regular folks, the folks I meet face to face are good folks. I have ridden snowmobiles since 1980 and owned my own since '89. Some of the posters arguing points are, well, hmmm.
The guy was talking about the quality of his experience while snowmobiles were around and contrasting it to when snowmobiles were not around. http://www.nwhikers.net/...
author=Scotsman link=topic=20987.msg90235#msg90235 date=1307577592]
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Nice folks though; I enjoyed chatting with most of them. I learned a lot about their machines (2 stroke, 4 stroke, turbo, 5000-$20,000 machines) and why it is such a special area to ride} end quote.
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Quote}So Park Butte was it for me, right in the middle sno-mo country. I resolved to be at peace with the bargain; for a sunny weekend on a sum...
author=WMC link=topic=20987.msg90234#msg90234 date=1307577057]
to park just below the LO.
Parking "just below the lookout" is where you would expect a boundary abiding snowmobiler to park, since the boundary is less that 200' from the porch of the lookout. Maybe the hiker didn't quite know where the boundary was. Doesn't sound like a violation to me, but maybe the WMC should contact the hiker and let him/her...
author=WMC link=topic=20987.msg90234#msg90234 date=1307577057]
"Park Butte LO & Rage Against the Machine(s), June 3-5, 2011"
http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7991439
"All hell broke loose by 10:30 as machines crossed the Wilderness boundary 300m away to park just below the LO. One would have parked right up to the railing had I not been sitting on the snow reading (almost runn’d me over). This went on...
"Park Butte LO & Rage Against the Machine(s), June 3-5, 2011"
http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7991439
"All hell broke loose by 10:30 as machines crossed the Wilderness boundary 300m away to park just below the LO. One would have parked right up to the railing had I not been sitting on the snow reading (almost runn’d me over). This went on till 5p, nonstop, posse after posse riding up, smokes & beers… "
http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7991439
"All hell broke loose by 10:30 as machines crossed the Wilderness boundary 300m away to park just below the LO. One would have parked right up to the railing had I not been sitting on the snow reading (almost runn’d me over). This went on till 5p, nonstop, posse after posse riding up, smokes & beers… "
author=T. Eastman link=topic=20987.msg90216#msg90216 date=1307567833]
Scotsman, the issue is how one activity reduces the value of the experience of other activities. Noise, tracks that reduce ski safety and diminish the resource, and impacts on wildlife, are examples of why some skiers may not want to share terrain. With many more non-motorized winter users than motorized ones, the onus for the snowmobile community to address bad behavior within its ranks w...
I've always used both leashes and brakes on all of my ski-mountaineering AT skis since I first started. My two powder-skiing AT skis (Megawatts and Stokes) are brakes only, no leashes, for avy concerns.
The leashes prevent losing the ski in situations where you just can't afford to have it take off on its own (remote places, steeps, glaciers, etc). Brakes make it much easier to put the skis on in sketchy situations (steep, exposed, icy, narrow, etc.) at the start of a descen...
The leashes prevent losing the ski in situations where you just can't afford to have it take off on its own (remote places, steeps, glaciers, etc). Brakes make it much easier to put the skis on in sketchy situations (steep, exposed, icy, narrow, etc.) at the start of a descen...
Just curious from the pics- why leashes AND brakes?
Great fix. Voile straps, once again, prove their utility.
I often carry some kind of epoxy on long trips/hut trips, etc, but I think the utility in the field, if you don't have a clean, dry place and some curing time, can be pretty minimal. Mechanical solutions like this one seem to be the most likely to work out. I've got a bunch of voile straps, some bailing wire and a some stout wire ties as the bulk of my repair kit and it's gotten the job done sev...
I often carry some kind of epoxy on long trips/hut trips, etc, but I think the utility in the field, if you don't have a clean, dry place and some curing time, can be pretty minimal. Mechanical solutions like this one seem to be the most likely to work out. I've got a bunch of voile straps, some bailing wire and a some stout wire ties as the bulk of my repair kit and it's gotten the job done sev...
author=Marcus link=topic=21086.msg90215#msg90215 date=1307567516]
Great TR Amar and I love, love, love the MacGyver binding fix -- excellent work to all involved. I'd love to see closer pics or hear more details about its construction.
Greg Blaisdell (orthopedic surgeon, and apparently ski surgeon too) was responsible for most of the repair work at 14100 ft, with Ryan and me helping a bit. The toepiece was remounted in the s...
author=Scotsman link=topic=20987.msg90208#msg90208 date=1307561614]
I don't agree.
It's a compromise.. although not ideal for you and people with the same ideology regarding snowmobiles.... the Baker wedge provides snowmobilers with a short window to access some spectacular terrain. Given the fact that from the summit of Baker the eyes can see vast areas of the north cascades that are not legally available to snowmobilers.. its seems a fair com...
Great trip report Amar and Ryan!! Glad you guys were able to fix the binding for the descent, what a fiasco it may have otherwise been.
author=ryanl link=topic=21086.msg90187#msg90187 date=1307552236]
Nice summary Amar. But you forgot to mention the best part of the trip. It was Tobae's birthday on saturday! She didn't mention her age, but based upon her fitness, skiing ability, and overall sense of adventure, I'd guess low to mid 30's. Birthday tours are always a good time.
Flattery will get you everywhere Ryan-
A great trip in an amazing place....
Scotsman, the issue is how one activity reduces the value of the experience of other activities. Noise, tracks that reduce ski safety and diminish the resource, and impacts on wildlife, are examples of why some skiers may not want to share terrain. With many more non-motorized winter users than motorized ones, the onus for the snowmobile community to address bad behavior within its ranks will be imperative if they don't want to get excluded from winter recreation in these popula...
Great TR Amar and I love, love, love the MacGyver binding fix -- excellent work to all involved. I'd love to see closer pics or hear more details about its construction.
Ski crampons were essential this time for skinning up above about 10500 ft, as there were many sections of firm snow which would have been extremely sketchy without them (we would have cramponed on foot if we had no ski crampons). The three of us who skinned the upper mountain used three different types of ski crampons, all hinged: Dynafit for me, B & D Gear for Ryan (we both used Dynafit bindings), and Marker Dukes with their matching crampons for Greg.
All six of us brought ski...
All six of us brought ski...
What a great trip even with equipment issues. BTW, when you were skiining up high, did you use ski crampons (I know, what other kinds are there..)? Hinged or fixed?
Very nice work.
Thanks for the report and thanks to the crew for nailing it.
Thanks for the report and thanks to the crew for nailing it.
Nice idea, Amar! Glad you guys all pulled off a great trip.
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg90098#msg90098 date=1307463160]
I agree.
You mentioned 200+ people lined up on the Muir Snowfield last weekend, all of them climbing under their own power. No machines. As we all know, this is routine. Just another sunny day on Mt Rainier.
Imagine all those people riding snowmobiles. Heck, imagine just ten percent of those people riding snowmobiles. It would have been a mess. When you see the...
cool trip guys! that picture of Amar's boot looks like it belongs in an advertisement for Voile
author=OldHouseMan link=topic=21054.msg90136#msg90136 date=1307488351]
From the look of the pics, there will easily another month+ of solid skiing at Barrett Spur. IMO, it is one of the better trips on Mt Hood and the views are spectacular.
We were going to go in on Friday, but opted out due to the warming temps.
Nice - maybe the first weekend of July would be a possibility!
Cool to see this. Haven't seen Rob since back, so it's nice to get some more detail. Thanks for the report Trevor.
I'm assuming all went well with last years food cache...
I'm assuming all went well with last years food cache...
author=FairiesWearBoots link=topic=20972.msg89764#msg89764 date=1306995454">
great shot of the bird shaped creep line over by the spires,.. not sure what they call that slide path..?
good eye - not sure what they call that slide path either.
When we skinned past the "bird" (a big flat rock surface beneath the snow causing separation), two woman were skiing down past it on either side, mother and daughter I believe. Mom...
first ascent party, July 2 1920, included the brothers Hans & Heine Fuhrer (and Joseph Hazard & Thomas Hermans) thus the name of the route.
Very entertaining read. Way to turn a diseaster into a tolerable situation. Great job.
Ha! enjoyed your spelling too John...
On the drive back I blurted out that my grandfather shook the führer's fingers (he was an architect in Munich in the 30's, and for the inauguration of a bridge he designed, the NDSP party came out in full regalia). Zack shot back from the front seat that a grandfather in his extended family had too. Also in the 30's, in a camp in the Black Forest (also in Bavaria), as an emissary for the Boy Scouts of America. Very weird...
On the drive back I blurted out that my grandfather shook the führer's fingers (he was an architect in Munich in the 30's, and for the inauguration of a bridge he designed, the NDSP party came out in full regalia). Zack shot back from the front seat that a grandfather in his extended family had too. Also in the 30's, in a camp in the Black Forest (also in Bavaria), as an emissary for the Boy Scouts of America. Very weird...
great write up Amar.
Joe, I went up IG on Sunday and the new trail stays annoyingly high above the river and on a more sun exposed slope that was melted out about a mile from the trail head. We dropped down to the river ~4700 ft to avoid the annoying skis on, ski...
author=Joedabaker link=topic=21086.msg90180#msg90180 date=1307547689]
Based on your experience would the GB trail have continuous snow to the Interglacier?
Joe, I went up IG on Sunday and the new trail stays annoyingly high above the river and on a more sun exposed slope that was melted out about a mile from the trail head. We dropped down to the river ~4700 ft to avoid the annoying skis on, ski...
Nice summary Amar. But you forgot to mention the best part of the trip. It was Tobae's birthday on saturday! She didn't mention her age, but based upon her fitness, skiing ability, and overall sense of adventure, I'd guess low to mid 30's. Birthday tours are always a good time.
I posted my own version of trip, along with some video footage of the crux super tense moments here:
http://skisickness.com/post/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=238
I posted my own version of trip, along with some video footage of the crux super tense moments here:
http://skisickness.com/post/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=238
Great trip everyone! Glad you got to ski the whole Emmons!
Very impressive piece of work to all. Very nice report Amar. I had just mentioned to Lowell the other day how there have been an impressive number of creative ski routes on Rainier lately. Thanks for all the beta on the trip and the conditions of getting from the lower trail. Based on your experience would the GB trail have continuous snow to the Interglacier? At first looking at the pictures I thought you carried a cordless drill with you, but after reading it was pretty fortunate to have that...
Nice job with a binding fix Amar! You are ready to be a tele skier.
Good to see that Ryan had the right hat for the job too. Nice trip to all of you.
Mike
Good to see that Ryan had the right hat for the job too. Nice trip to all of you.
Mike
Macho Man said:
Snap into a Slim Jim! Oooooh yeeeah!
Amar
Excellent job ,Over the top, I had to catch my breath there a few times. With the saftey strap you only had the toe piece. Lucky the ski didn't take off.
I'd say you skied it up and down .
I'd better check my rig cause it's exact same as yours. cept I use Gorilla glue.
keep going!
Excellent job ,Over the top, I had to catch my breath there a few times. With the saftey strap you only had the toe piece. Lucky the ski didn't take off.
I'd say you skied it up and down .
I'd better check my rig cause it's exact same as yours. cept I use Gorilla glue.
keep going!
The forecast we planned on the day before:
MOUNT RAINIER RECREATIONAL FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
243 PM PDT FRI JUN 3 2011
SYNOPSIS...HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD OVER THE AREA TODAY AND CONTINUE THROUGH SUNDAY RESULTING IN A WARMING AND DRYING TREND. AN UPPER TROUGH AND ONSHORE FLOW WILL RETURN NEXT WEEK FOR COOLER AND CLOUDY WEATHER. AN UPPER LOW COULD BRING SOME SHOWERS TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.
FRIDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. FREEZING LE...
MOUNT RAINIER RECREATIONAL FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
243 PM PDT FRI JUN 3 2011
SYNOPSIS...HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD OVER THE AREA TODAY AND CONTINUE THROUGH SUNDAY RESULTING IN A WARMING AND DRYING TREND. AN UPPER TROUGH AND ONSHORE FLOW WILL RETURN NEXT WEEK FOR COOLER AND CLOUDY WEATHER. AN UPPER LOW COULD BRING SOME SHOWERS TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.
FRIDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. FREEZING LE...
Details: The Emmons Glacier is the largest glacier by area in the contiguous United States, covering over 4 square miles along the northeast face and flanks of Mount Rainier. It extends over 9000 vertical feet from the rim of the East Crater near 14200 ft down to its terminus near 5000 ft, which is among the largest vertical drops of any glacier in the lower 48 (perhaps trailing only its companion the Winthrop Glacier in that category). The upper portion of the combined Emmons-Winthrop Gl...
Just what Jeremy said. I would blame installer error and haste (ie. mine).
The two big take aways for me are 1) make sure the insert hole is clear of any obstructions like epoxy inside and cut away all the top sheet material from the hole. That way the screw has the best opportunity to cleanly seat in the insert. And 2) FIRM steady pressure as you slowly turn the screws in the first time. You must not let the binding ride up the screw as you turn. There is a lot of resistance betw...
The two big take aways for me are 1) make sure the insert hole is clear of any obstructions like epoxy inside and cut away all the top sheet material from the hole. That way the screw has the best opportunity to cleanly seat in the insert. And 2) FIRM steady pressure as you slowly turn the screws in the first time. You must not let the binding ride up the screw as you turn. There is a lot of resistance betw...