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What a beautiful day! Rachel & I got a casual (late) start, and planned to visit Headlight Basin but got sidetracked by the friendly slopes of the ~6500' point on the ridge just NW of Long's Pass. I saw two other parties on skis, and another party of 3 booting it up the road just as we were leaving.
Saw the snowmobile tracks on the trail, too, in the dirt.
Saw the snowmobile tracks on the trail, too, in the dirt.
author=Robie link=topic=21128.msg90383#msg90383 date=1307847453]
Lowell please be careful ! That loose boot mode of yours might have caused a ejection at that angle
Hi Robie,
Can you explain what you mean?
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Oh duh! Now I get it. That was some STEEP skinning! ;)
Nice to run into you on Fortune, Lowell. Besides two parties of climbers at Ingalls Pass and Crispin & crew coming in late, you were the only person we saw above the trailhead all day. We skied Fortune's SSW face down at 3 before traversing over to the old trail/jeep road. It was my best bc run of the year, so far.
Lowell please be careful ! That loose boot mode of yours might have caused a ejection at that angle
LEO's have a very tough job with tons of land and very little budgets.
Most of the snowmobile community is very much against the violations and if you get a picture of the folks doing this, not so much the tabs, but faces even add the group as a whole. But if you can get the tabs in a photo bonus, post those picts on this forum or the sledding forums. Or even pm/email me directly, I'll take the heat on the sled forums to call these people out to stop violating and get educa...
Most of the snowmobile community is very much against the violations and if you get a picture of the folks doing this, not so much the tabs, but faces even add the group as a whole. But if you can get the tabs in a photo bonus, post those picts on this forum or the sledding forums. Or even pm/email me directly, I'll take the heat on the sled forums to call these people out to stop violating and get educa...
Here is how TH sign looked on May 4th
I don't think that the final bell has been rung yet, but as I've said in other threads on this subject, people are only just starting to get the most basic idea of what it's going to be like when the coming plague unfolds.
Thanks to Amar, Lowell, WMC, and anyone else who speaks out.
Thanks to Amar, Lowell, WMC, and anyone else who speaks out.
Update: I received a call from the USFS law enforcement officer for the Mount Baker Ranger District on Friday, June 10. Yes, there is only a single LEO for this entire vast ranger district which covers everything west of North Cascades National Park and north of SR 20 (Mount Baker Highway and the ski area, Mount Baker Wilderness, Baker Lake, etc), plus a bunch of area south of SR 20 and north of Darrington including Cascade River Road. Kind of shocking. No wonder violations of all sorts g...
Amar, I've been really happy with my BD Aspects. Wider than the Shuksans but just as easy to turn. The specs are very similar to your Superlights.
author=ruffryder link=topic=20987.msg90362#msg90362 date=1307813977]
Also, it is important to not forget that money is spent from snowmobilers gas tax funds for plowing and grooming. This is extra money on top of the snopark passes that snowmobilers purchase with their registration.
As suits the far larger amount of parking space required for trailers used by some...
author=T. Eastman link=topic=20987.msg90302#msg90302 date=1307668605]I believe yammadog was talking about paying for plowing and parking for new access areas...
Non-motorized users currently pay for SnoPark passes and support winter trail head maintenance. These passes also support trail grooming where such agreements have been developed.
Also, it is important to not forget that money is spent from snowmobilers gas tax funds for...
Those skis are done (K2 Baker Superlight bought in March 2008). Given the water damage to the wood core, I could never rely on them again in the conditions that I need them for (steeps, crevassed glaciers, etc). They've been retired, with 148 days including 7 Rainier summit ski descents, 9 of Baker, 1 Adams, 1 Hood, and 2 Shasta, among many other memorable days in the mountains. An excellent and versatile pair of skis, great in powder and glop, yet capable of holding an edge on ice and carv...
Wow, what great photos. I've been on top of Baker many times and want to do once more on ski's
Amar-
Thanks for combining so many great trips with great write-ups. Being sidelined with injury till next season, it is great to have such detailed reports. Like skiing from my computer.
Peter
Thanks for combining so many great trips with great write-ups. Being sidelined with injury till next season, it is great to have such detailed reports. Like skiing from my computer.
Peter
It's getting crowded in the great outdoors. Be very aware of the possibility of other parties when ski cutting. It is amazing how far spring avalanche debris can travel. It would be very bad form to bury a party of hikers, just so you can safely ski a slope.
Thanks for the report. Glad everything turned out well. This late, deep snowpack needs to settle down.
We've got to stop pounding Crystal and join you in the Olys. Good work. Solo?
Finally found someone with good overall shots... Larry got a couple:
Looking up
The view dropping in
Looking up
The view dropping in
thats great you're getting back out on the snow Zap! hope you keep getting stronger and feeling better.
author=T. Eastman link=topic=20987.msg90314#msg90314 date=1307682550]
... now your point in regards to this discussion was?
You opened the door to my post with your comment T.
Edited to add: A great trip report Amar, worthy discussion of user group access as well.
Thanks for the report good to hear about the conditions there.
The wooden bridge that crossed 410 was removed last year and I'm not sure if they had replaced it before winter, so I don't think they have to worry about hitting it in the snow removal process.
The wooden bridge that crossed 410 was removed last year and I'm not sure if they had replaced it before winter, so I don't think they have to worry about hitting it in the snow removal process.
author=T. Eastman link=topic=20987.msg90302#msg90302 date=1307668605]
Non-motorized users currently pay for SnoPark passes and support winter trail head maintenance. These passes also support trail grooming where such agreements have been developed.
With the "conflict" of a few people, why not find/establish non-motorized only access areas that are not shared use? over 3/4 of Baker is non-motorized wilderness, why the s...
I swear, the teanaway never fails to deliever.
Thursday, pouring rain at alpental. Drive east, sunshine and snowflurries up at the end Bean Creek.
Thursday, pouring rain at alpental. Drive east, sunshine and snowflurries up at the end Bean Creek.
I wonder if that was your around into a little before 1?
Good day indeed. Sunshining. Upper international was quite nice.
Good day indeed. Sunshining. Upper international was quite nice.
Gravitymk, as the system is set up, those that don't buy passes at most areas get tickets. That is how the system works. I assume after being issued a ticket many users can recognize the utility of purchasing a SnoPark pass...
... now your point in regards to this discussion was?
... now your point in regards to this discussion was?
author=T. Eastman link=topic=20987.msg90302#msg90302 date=1307668605]
Non-motorized users currently pay for SnoPark passes and support winter trail head maintenance. These passes also support trail grooming where such agreements have been developed.
When they actually purchase them.
There are a high ratio of users that come up to the pass that end up with tickets on their windows because they don't have passes. As a res...
author=yammadog link=topic=20987.msg90230#msg90230 date=1307574402]
As stated before, I think access to areas for non-motorized users is a beginning answer to the "conflicts" of user groups. Now, how to figure out how to get the roads groomed and parking managed by funds from non-motorized users.
Non-motorized users currently pay for SnoPark passes and support winter trail head maintenance. These passes also support tra...
Time for some new skis Amar! :D
Thanks for that post- we followed and quoted your advice in dicey forcast and went up the following week-
you gotta pay to play/ gotta gamble to win, eh!
The slog can be underestimated...
you gotta pay to play/ gotta gamble to win, eh!
The slog can be underestimated...
A few images...
More at link
Just follow the track to camp...
scenic bivy
I didn't get the message about bringing...
More at link
Just follow the track to camp...
scenic bivy
I didn't get the message about bringing...
Good times! I just looked at summer pics on Summitpost - looks like a return visit in summer would be fun too!
Oyvind found a screw that popped from my tele binding- I'm a lucky SOB to have such a tenacious friend.
Oyvind found a screw that popped from my tele binding- I'm a lucky SOB to have such a tenacious friend.
Heh... that was one of many. Good times and credit to Kirsten for the brilliant, Macho Man-inspired gift.
author=Charlie Hagedorn link=topic=21073.msg90288#msg90288 date=1307642336]
I'm not sure, but it's my impression that the Fuhrer brothers were not Führer brothers.
Thanks for the links Charlie. Interesting.
So I googled "fuhrer", and the first thing that comes up is "Führer" "Führer alternatively spelt Fuehrer in both English and German when the umlaut is not available, is a Ger...
author=WMC link=topic=20987.msg90275#msg90275 date=1307636573]
Perhaps skiers with concerns could please step up and speak up about their concerns and assert their legitimate use of the Forest- quiet, winter non-motorized recreation. On the Mt. Baker District contact the Winter Rec Manager Otis Allen 360 854-2610, emailThis email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
And just to make sure you don't look selfish or elitist, be sure to include the already es...
I'm not sure, but it's my impression that the Fuhrer brothers were not Führer brothers.
For example:
Beckey,
For example:
Beckey,
The creek crossing shot is quintessential northwest! Sounds like a fun day.
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg90265#msg90265 date=1307629814]
And later:
... I object to snowmobiles not because of my ideology but because of my senses. When I go to the mountains, there are certain things that I value, and these things are revealed to me through my senses. The problems I have with snowmobiles are revealed the same way.
I value silence when I go to the mountains. Snowmobiles disrupt the silence with their h...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg90271#msg90271 date=1307633886]
I don't think minor boundary shifts will improve the situation much. They might reduce the basis for formal complaints to the Forest Service, but they wouldn't solve the basic problem as I see it.
Shifting the boundary will only cause sledders to move their incursion further into the closure. Most don't care where the boundary line is. Observe any c...
author=sizzling carbides link=topic=20987.msg90266#msg90266 date=1307630797]
You should have left this sentence out. It detracts from the personal points made earlier and makes you sound pompous.
Point well taken. I found Scotsman's posts offensive. I shouldn't have responded in kind.
Any input on my comments about the boundary shift? Before it gets buried.
ah ha! so you're the cowboy... saw iron's TR. Good to make that connection, not sure how trees and cowboys mix, but damn that looks like a fun run down!
author=Marcus link=topic=21073.msg90257#msg90257 date=1307596556]
Right-click on the image you want and "copy image location", then paste it into the IMG tags.
hey Marcus, I've seen quite a few threads turn into image posting tutorials... why not make a sticky post covering it? Would save you time, and (barring the imlpementation of a more user friendly interface) would make it easier for everyone to pos...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg90265#msg90265 date=1307629814]
Maybe you need to get off the machine and let your senses clear in order to understand.
You should have left this sentence out. It detracts from the personal points made earlier and makes you sound pompous.
Any input on my comments about the boundary shift? Before it gets buried.
author=Scotsman link=topic=20987.msg90048#msg90048 date=1307403795]
The vast majority of BC skiers in the PNW are liberal leaning urbanites( NTTAWWT) who consider the mountains and especially the alpine regions as spirituous places and are usually proponents of non-motorized mountain travel ( against snowmobiles, dirt bikes etc) Many consider recreational snowmobiling " blue collar" and" redneck".
And l...
author=cumulus link=topic=21031.msg90199#msg90199 date=1307558299]
Cool to see this. Haven't seen Rob since back, so it's nice to get some more detail. Thanks for the report Trevor.
I'm assuming all went well with last years food cache...
The food cache held up very well...some beaks and claws seemed to have a go at them but no luck for them and good luck for us.
In the long run, effective policy will encourage separation of motorized and non-motorized users. Sharing terrain is never going to work well. Snowmobiling and skiing are not compatible, much like jet-skiing and swimming are not compatible. It may not seem like a problem to the motorized user, but it will always be a problem to the non-motorized user. The power mismatch is too great. Still, I don't expect administrative changes in the near term, and I don't have time and energy to...
Looks like fun Kenji, everyone likes shwacking. I've always done the trail too, thanks for the beta. Hopefully we'll have better Cascade River access next winter!