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author=ashcan link=topic=20987.msg90069#msg90069 date=1307420028]
Only 2.7% of the contiguous U.S. has been designated as wilderness.
Just so your aware snowmobiles are not allowed in all NON Wilderness areas. You stated this to sound like there is only 2.7% of land that we can not use? Your groups have a much larger percent of open area to use than snowmobilers.
My point with the rescue story is hiker will thr...
Absolutely. Our researched before hand looked like going climbers left (Ridge route) was the way to go vs traversing the Upper Nisqually. I dont think anybody in our group was in the mood to be on 50-60degree ice on Sunday :) 40-45 suited us just fine.
Matt enjoyed the bivy site, less windy than our tent location. Only problem was his sleeping pad sprung a leak. So he wasn't as comfy as he would have liked.
Matt enjoyed the bivy site, less windy than our tent location. Only problem was his sleeping pad sprung a leak. So he wasn't as comfy as he would have liked.
Hey Matt, good to see you again even though I didn't realize it at the time. And good for you all continuing on to the crater. I still recall the Kaleetan trip well.
Zap,
I soon will need a tutorial on the Seirra.
E_N,
Thanks for the compliment on artwork ! I'm trying to step it up a bit to compete with the quality of Amar's reports. ;)
Joe,
At 330 were they serving beer outside on top of Crystal?
After finishing "The Vogt Traverse no. 1" I'll be picking his brain for some more.
I soon will need a tutorial on the Seirra.
E_N,
Thanks for the compliment on artwork ! I'm trying to step it up a bit to compete with the quality of Amar's reports. ;)
Joe,
At 330 were they serving beer outside on top of Crystal?
After finishing "The Vogt Traverse no. 1" I'll be picking his brain for some more.
I dig the artwork with the saddle drawn in! About time MS paint got its day in the sun.
Nicely done on the long traverse. Glad I'm not the only one who buy buys sunscreen by the bucket.
Nicely done on the long traverse. Glad I'm not the only one who buy buys sunscreen by the bucket.
Great trip.
Retirement ! You're too young. ;)
Retirement ! You're too young. ;)
author=sb link=topic=21062.msg90046#msg90046 date=1307401471]
Do you mean Duffy Lake? What route did you ski on Oval? Thanks
We skied the southeast bowl off Oval Peak. We came in the West Fork of the Buttermilk, not Eagle/Oval Creek, so the duffy lake route didn't work for us. It looked like a great ski, however, and probably would have been better snow given the north exposure. Here's an action photo showing the af...
Glad the info helped. You missed the fun of the Ridge Route with the 50-60+ degree wall... Figured it'd be less hair raising and faster taking the easy route. Hope Matt enjoyed the bivy spot .
I have no problem with the concept of wilderness and that snowmobilles aren't allowed in wilderness although I do think boundary lines should take the terrain into account.
But you want more wilderness and existing legal snowmobile areas changed to wilderness.
You want buffer zones between wilderness and existing legal snowmobile areas thereby restricting them further.
You want snowmobiling banned in the alpine on Baker, St Helens and Mt Adams because it's a...
But you want more wilderness and existing legal snowmobile areas changed to wilderness.
You want buffer zones between wilderness and existing legal snowmobile areas thereby restricting them further.
You want snowmobiling banned in the alpine on Baker, St Helens and Mt Adams because it's a...
Ron - I was in the party of 4 that I believe camped next to you on Saturday night. I thought you looked familiar, and indeed now realize that we skied together many years ago on Kaleetan. My group stubbornly continued up all the way to the crater rim, turning around in the wind and fog before skiing out of the cloud onto the upper Nisqually. The personal highlights for me were climbing up and skiing down the upper Nisqually between the seracs, looking down on 7000 ft of glacier relief and ski...
Sweet! Glad we could help you loosen up the legs on Saturday. Also glad Murr didn't puke.
NICE! Way to play it safe..common sense is a lovely thing..
Nice photos .... got get up there some time
Nice photos .... got get up there some time
Nice, been eyeing that for the past month. Just hasn't worked out.
I think that some folks in the snomo community and Scotsman are missing the point. We (the liberal leaning urbanites) are not anti-snowmobile, we're pro-wilderness. Only 2.7% of the contiguous U.S. has been designated as wilderness. That leaves quite a bit a space for people to pursue motorized recreational activities and not very much space for the growing number of people who want to get a break from the "developed" world.
I would argue that wilderness is not an eliti...
I would argue that wilderness is not an eliti...
Charlie,
It is, however, a pretty cool photo. What camera are you lugging with you on your laps up Muir?
It is, however, a pretty cool photo. What camera are you lugging with you on your laps up Muir?
author=Joedabaker link=topic=21069.msg90062#msg90062 date=1307415720]
Nice report.
I wonder if the fracture seen in left shadowed area of picture #1 was water percolation down to the MLK crust?
Could be. I didn't pay too much attention to it, but my guess based on the size of the crown is that it didn't reach down that far.
author=lrudholm link=topic=21062.msg90047#msg90047 date=1307401764]
I bet you saw a lot of people up there!
Well no, not really. We saw some bugs however. Like the one I found floating in my water.
author=sb link=topic=21062.msg90046#msg90046 date=1307401471]
Do you mean Duffy Lake? What route did you ski on Oval? Thanks
Here are the coordinates I pulle...
I agree with all that you have there Lowell, always good to brush up on that stuff.
I add that having a plan or exit strategy is a good thing. Like ski cutting across to a group of trees or a safety island. Often times the deep isothermal top layer peels away like cutting butter with a hot knife and sometimes it can really slow you down on a cut compared to winter conditions. As many know the rule of thumb on iso snow is 3 inches of penetration can be OK depending on conditions, but when it...
I add that having a plan or exit strategy is a good thing. Like ski cutting across to a group of trees or a safety island. Often times the deep isothermal top layer peels away like cutting butter with a hot knife and sometimes it can really slow you down on a cut compared to winter conditions. As many know the rule of thumb on iso snow is 3 inches of penetration can be OK depending on conditions, but when it...
Nice report.
I wonder if the fracture seen in left shadowed area of picture #1 was water percolation down to the MLK crust?
I wonder if the fracture seen in left shadowed area of picture #1 was water percolation down to the MLK crust?
Nice report Robie I like those cross country tours. Thanks for thinking of me too I was looking for you guys from Crystal at about 3:30, but needed field glasses to really see that far. As I looked over to the route, I was thinking that Meany would have been a great place to practice avy ski cuts.
Great job guys!!
Great job guys!!
we were camped in fryingpan crk basin and talked briefly to you .. way to go .. we did see your turns off meany crest next day .. sweet trip
btw 2 parties went up on sunday to ski goat island .. one party turned back saying avy conditions were too sketchy .. duh .. he said the other was going to bail too but we never saw them coming out via fryingpan
btw 2 parties went up on sunday to ski goat island .. one party turned back saying avy conditions were too sketchy .. duh .. he said the other was going to bail too but we never saw them coming out via fryingpan
author=1200cc link=topic=20987.msg90042#msg90042 date=1307395273]
I'm sure that all means nothing to those of you who hate all motorized users, but at least I attempted to reach out to you. I would be willing to work with anyone to better our relationships so we can all enjoy our sports.
I've never disparaged snowmobilers as people. My comments have focused on snowmobiling (the activity) at this location, not on the peo...
author=rocubr link=topic=20987.msg89898#msg89898 date=1307146638]
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270253
I see a culture clash.
I think you are dead on in that statement and I've brought it up before on this website and had the idea poo-pooed.
I do see it partially as a culture clash.
American society may not have have a class system based upon your station at birth like the Bri...
Do you mean Duffy Lake? What route did you ski on Oval? Thanks
"Snowmobiling is a travesty on Mt. Baker"... Well I will remember that next time I am called to Mt. Baker to rescue a skier or hiker. I respect all users and have not had the same respect given back to me. It is always nice to have ski poles and other things thrown at you as you ride up the trail at Baker. I recently finished my undergrad degree at EWU as a Recreation Management student. While in the program I met many skiers, climbers, and hikers that had the same views as many of you...
Looks fun! glad someone was out making good use of the warm weather
Excellent! This was the 1st 14er I ever did (and my first mountain in CO too) in 2003. Sadly, I wasn't skiing at that point in my life yet, but all my buddies were! Gladly, I met a lifelong friend that day, probably because I wasn't on skis.
^^^Yeah... I know multiple MM guides and they are all top notch and exceptionally courteous... As mentioned above, Jeremy would want to know about this... It is certainly not the norm for Mountain Madness: 800 328-5925
Congratulations!
I am sure your Sherpa trainees are happy for you too!
I am sure your Sherpa trainees are happy for you too!
author=gwest link=topic=21061.msg90032#msg90032 date=1307386721]
We were hanging out at camp saturday and saw you guys from a distance start the headwall, and then back off. Although we were disappointed we didnt get to see someone ski it, ..it was probably a wise move.
We skied the Roman HW too early on sunday (10am ish, still frozen), as we had to be out early, and the summit was too windy/cold to hang out at.
Ya all three...
Hi Jim- yes, the Cristo Couloir is the route you're referring to. It was still frozen when we left, and we were parked at a different trail-head, but it looked inviting from the top ... reminded me of a 2500 foot version of the Nisqually Chutes:
http://www.14ers.com/routemain.php?route=quan2&peak=Quandary+Peak
Take care,
http://www.14ers.com/routemain.php?route=quan2&peak=Quandary+Peak
Take care,
We were hanging out at camp saturday and saw you guys from a distance start the headwall, and then back off. Although we were disappointed we didnt get to see someone ski it, ..it was probably a wise move.
We skied the Roman HW too early on sunday (10am ish, still frozen), as we had to be out early, and the summit was too windy/cold to hang out at.
We skied the Roman HW too early on sunday (10am ish, still frozen), as we had to be out early, and the summit was too windy/cold to hang out at.
Nice. Yanna and I got up there in '92, must have been a little earlier as there was more snow on the lower ridge. It was a nice intro to big mountain touring for a couple of New England telemarkers. And some locals took pity on us and showed us the quick way back to the car as the thunderstorms headed for us from across the valley. Looks like that quick was was mostly rock as of this weekend (we had to drop skiers left of the ridge for a short traverse before cutting back around to the sout...
author=sprice link=topic=21056.msg90022#msg90022 date=1307382993]
And I couldn't believe the number of people on the Kautz route.
The lower Nisqually was overrun by multiple mountaineering classes and their encampments. We saw only one party going up the Kautz on Sunday morning.
I agree, especially seeing CascadeClimber's photos; I'd thought you were on a much steeper slope.
OK guys,
We were not THAT cliffed out. We were just doing a bit of route finding. I'm starting to feel like nothing in the mountains is un-observed anymore.
I'm glad we could provide some diversion to the amazing line of people filing up to Muir.
And I couldn't believe the number of people on the Kautz route.
We were not THAT cliffed out. We were just doing a bit of route finding. I'm starting to feel like nothing in the mountains is un-observed anymore.
I'm glad we could provide some diversion to the amazing line of people filing up to Muir.
And I couldn't believe the number of people on the Kautz route.
No, different tune and theme, duh. ::)
But if you want to be that kind of lumberjack I'm okay with it. :D
I'd only put on women's clothing on St. Helens on Mother's Day---but I do hang out in bars....
The original folk song is about a factory worker who hikes (rambles) in the Peak District:
I'm a rambler, I'm a rambler from Manchester way
I get all my living the free-roaming way. (I think I got this line wrong...
But if you want to be that kind of lumberjack I'm okay with it. :D
I'd only put on women's clothing on St. Helens on Mother's Day---but I do hang out in bars....
The original folk song is about a factory worker who hikes (rambles) in the Peak District:
I'm a rambler, I'm a rambler from Manchester way
I get all my living the free-roaming way. (I think I got this line wrong...
A couple more pics of the cliffed-out group.
I think we ran into you in the flats above Paradise. I was with Hannah.
I think we ran into you in the flats above Paradise. I was with Hannah.
author=telemack link=topic=21059.msg90008#msg90008 date=1307364744">
Apologies to the original lyricist:
I'm a skier, I'm a skier, from Silverdale way
I climbed up Mount Townsend the boot-packin' way.
I may be a wage-slave on Monday,
But I am a ski bum on Sunday.
Is that sung to the Monty Python tune "I'm a Lumber Jack?"
Beautiful photo and TR. It's great when you fly over some terrain you have toured or plan to tour - a great perspective.
Looking forward to your TR and photos in Bolivia and Las Lenas. The terrain is unique in the Las Lenas area. As you approach Las Lenas about 15km from the resort, you'll see a "border guard" building in white on the left side of the road. Jill and I stayed in one of the "cells" during our time skiing at Las Lenas. It was "dir...
Looking forward to your TR and photos in Bolivia and Las Lenas. The terrain is unique in the Las Lenas area. As you approach Las Lenas about 15km from the resort, you'll see a "border guard" building in white on the left side of the road. Jill and I stayed in one of the "cells" during our time skiing at Las Lenas. It was "dir...
Contact Mark or Jeremy at Mountain Madness. I am sure they would like to know about this. They are good people and try and run a top notch business.
Didn't ski Muir. It looked like a mob scene Saturday. Looking down at the route to Muir, at one point I counted over 215 people on route with many to the sides skiing and practicing glissading. Was very amusing watching the Muir Ant Farm.