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Thanks for making it happen Trevor, what an epic trip!
Great write up! Too bad the weather wasn't more cooperative for you but an epic trip none the less.
I second Lowell's comments. I also appreciate Amar for making a point of informing the boundary to the sledders he encountered. Now he gets to have people start attacking him for his "attitude" and hinted elitism for simply wanting people to abide by the law. A couple of points I would like to make here:
Making vieled attackes and meaningless arguments doesn't take away from the flagrant violation of a wilderness area. I don't find comments a...
Making vieled attackes and meaningless arguments doesn't take away from the flagrant violation of a wilderness area. I don't find comments a...
author=Amar Andalkar link=topic=20987.msg89855#msg89855 date=1307117746]but restricting certain people's freedom for everyone's overall benefit is necessary in any organized society.How many people use the south side of Mt. Baker for snowmobiling vs skiing in the winter?
What is your definition of everyone?
author=ruffryder link=topic=20987.msg89854#msg89854 date=1307115298">
Have you ever ridden a snowmobile? Just curious.
Mt. Baker is a different form of riding as you are always on a fall line and the mountain is always pulling you down the mountain. Sometimes it is difficult to change direction on the hill after you have started, without being forced to go back down again. Just some thoughts, as what you might think about as intimidation might be...
author=Amar Andalkar link=topic=20987.msg89837#msg89837 date=1307076979]My main objections have always been to snowmobilers' illegal dumping of trash everywhere (beer cans, empty cases, broken snowmobile parts, etc) and illegally trespassing into the Wilderness,very good points, especially the trash. I HATE PEOPLE LITTERING. God damn it pisses me off. Seriously, pack your fricken trash out.
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author=Amar Andalkar link=topic=20987.msg89837#msg89837 date=1307076979]
obviously I don't like snowmo exhaust, but it's no worse than being near a Metro bus starting up from a stop).
My main objections have always been to snowmobilers' illegal dumping of trash everywhere (beer cans, empty cases, broken snowmobile parts, etc) and illegally trespassing into the Wilderness, along with buzzing excessively close to skiers and pedestrians at h...
author=Dustin_B link=topic=20987.msg89718#msg89718 date=1306943815]Did you have a map to show them and help inform them?
We encountered the totally ignorant attitude (and the rest didn't stop). "I'm just following my buddies." "We're just crossing through." "We were told to steer clear of skiers and be respectful of them." (which they were not). All direct quotes.
Thanks,I hope to get back up on the 11th or 18th I saw the temp going up this weekend I had a blast on the 21st and 14th of May and just as you described, lower Nash I thought was a little rutty if you traversed out.
can't wait till I can hit Nash again
Thanks Mike
can't wait till I can hit Nash again
Thanks Mike
Nice definition of proto-corn, Scotsman. And I may even agree with some of your points in the post after that, too.
Personally, I realize that I'll encounter snowmobiles anytime I venture up the south side of Baker while it is open to snowmobiling (over 2 ft of snowpack at Schriebers Meadow). I guess I don't mind them too much compared to some people (obviously I don't like snowmo exhaust, but it's no worse than being near a Metro bus starting up from a stop). It&#...
Personally, I realize that I'll encounter snowmobiles anytime I venture up the south side of Baker while it is open to snowmobiling (over 2 ft of snowpack at Schriebers Meadow). I guess I don't mind them too much compared to some people (obviously I don't like snowmo exhaust, but it's no worse than being near a Metro bus starting up from a stop). It&#...
For me the travesty is to pretend that Mt Baker is wilderness when a big slice of it has been handed over to machines. Giving machines free reign on the south side of the mountain is a blight, in my view. Mt Baker is the grandest and most historic mountain in the North Cascades. It should have been set aside as wilderness in total. Some day I hope it will be.
Skiers who feel as I do should absolutely not stop going to the south side of the mountain. Be civil to snowmobilers, but don&#...
Skiers who feel as I do should absolutely not stop going to the south side of the mountain. Be civil to snowmobilers, but don&#...
Nice Trip Report Amar. Amar, Stephanie Brown, Dave Coleman and Dave Brown , what a great time skiing with you all! So FUN!
To Scotsman: The snowmoers were far out of thier legal boundary, when they were in their legal boundary, there was no complaints or confrontation.
By your argument, we should not ski anywhere in the wilderness at all without expecting 2-stroke fumes. You are wrong.
I like snomo skiing, but not when it is illegal, and not when it opens dangerous cr...
To Scotsman: The snowmoers were far out of thier legal boundary, when they were in their legal boundary, there was no complaints or confrontation.
By your argument, we should not ski anywhere in the wilderness at all without expecting 2-stroke fumes. You are wrong.
I like snomo skiing, but not when it is illegal, and not when it opens dangerous cr...
author=freeskiguide link=topic=20972.msg89808#msg89808 date=1307060954]
Lowell,thanks for date correction. Someone told me that you have a website with alot of skier history.Do you have a link. Does anyone know what the courtisy is concerning commenting on TR. with out it being considered a hijack.
This is my main site:
http://alpenglow.org/
More specific ski history is here:
http://alpenglow.org/s...
Thanks for the kind words, fellas. Yeah, I was a little surprised to find it still condition this late in the year, but this has been an unusual year all around, at least in Montana. I was also a little surprised to be able to unlock the route on the first trip, given its complex, challenging, and dangerous nature.
As for the comparative safety of climbing versus descending from the top down - I suppose it'd be safest to climb the route first with a partner and rope,...
As for the comparative safety of climbing versus descending from the top down - I suppose it'd be safest to climb the route first with a partner and rope,...
author=FairiesWearBoots link=topic=20984.msg89810#msg89810 date=1307063446]
nice work getting the whole family in on it. my memories of skiing with the family go back to easter sundays sunrise service at the top of the gondolier at stowe.(sweet run on) one free ride to the top thanks to jesus. saw you at the mazama store saturday and on madison ave on monday. thought you looked familier.
Definitely Madison Ave... but we didn'...
Thanks Oyvind! They were retrieved today.
The new Camp Muir webcam is now online as of June 2 (although uploads still appear to be intermittent) at http://www.nps.gov/webcams-mora/muir.jpg. The time stamp on the image is incorrect for now, showing January 2000.
Here is a nice image from 7:17am on June 3, 2011:
Here is a nice image from 7:17am on June 3, 2011:
Nice TR, I love the comparison photo.
The bird looks like ptarmigan.
The bird looks like ptarmigan.
Nice trip report, Ross! I'm glad you and family were able to make the most of the weekend.
nice work getting the whole family in on it. my memories of skiing with the family go back to easter sundays sunrise service at the top of the gondolier at stowe.(sweet run on) one free ride to the top thanks to jesus. saw you at the mazama store saturday and on madison ave on monday. thought you looked familier.
author=jjnorm link=topic=20987.msg89795#msg89795 date=1307056507]
its a long way to climb only to have to cough on engine exhaust and listen to noise pollution.
I realize I am the only dissenting poster in this thread , but no matter...
If I really wanted to avoid engine exhaust and noise pollution ( which I completely understand) I personally would stay away from a route where snowmobiles were legally allowed and probably g...
Great, thanks for the info. It's forecasted to be quite warm relative to last weekend, so we'll make sure to be very observant on the mountain.
If all goes well, hopefully we'll have a great TR for you come early next week!
If all goes well, hopefully we'll have a great TR for you come early next week!
We didn't see any slide activity at all (I don't think it warmed up enough except at treeline and below), but there were a lot of cornices on the Crescent Glacier, and one on the southeast edge of the false summit. If it gets really warm I'd keep a close eye on things, and definitely bring a transceiver and shovel. Also keep some reserves and time for the true summit - it's quite a ways still from the false summit. Have a great time and let us know how it goes!
Thanks for this TR, Jason. Myself and some buddies are thinking of heading up Adams for a summit attempt this weekend, and were curious as we hadn't seen any other TRs yet.
Ranger at Trout Lake station said today that there was some slide activity below the Lunch Counter. Did you guys see any slide activity, and if so, any idea if it was wet snow slides or slab?
Appreciate the beta.
Ranger at Trout Lake station said today that there was some slide activity below the Lunch Counter. Did you guys see any slide activity, and if so, any idea if it was wet snow slides or slab?
Appreciate the beta.
I thought upper nash was fun about 8am on Sunday, there is some debris in it and it wasn't firm corn skiing, may have been more than 3 inches of mush penetration as Silas described but I was using some swap meet tlt4s so who knows what it was like in boots that cost $1 large! I was impressed at the amount of snow, no real stream crossings and the lift ramp up top looked flat. The entrance to nash is real mellow with all that snow. I am used to the end of season scraps being much less accomm...
author=Atraslin link=topic=20987.msg89782#msg89782 date=1307041103]
Can you explain what proto
Corn is.
proto-
combining form
Original; primitive
- prototherian
- prototype
First; anterior; relating to a precursor
- protomartyr
- protozoan
Core skier talk for snow that is on its way to becoming corn but is not yet corn!
Neato B!
I usually just go up to the bottum and run away...
Back to climbing on the roof and cleaning gutters for me.
I usually just go up to the bottum and run away...
Back to climbing on the roof and cleaning gutters for me.
author=skykilo link=topic=20998.msg89786#msg89786 date=1307048571]
I'll also stifle myself now and stick to warm sunny basalt, granite, ryolite and sandstone.
Sweet trip, bstory.
Sounds like you have the four corners well covered!
Great TR, and thank you for confronting our motorized counterparts, its a long way to climb only to have to cough on engine exhaust and listen to noise pollution.
Hey Kam,
Nice work, i recognize the spot. I looked at it many times when i lived there, good job getting up there. I'm the guy who pines for the Carson Range and Eastern Sierra everytime a TR is posted here. I've got to stop myself from looking at your post from now on, it's too hard on me. (Probably won't happen.) Luckily, the sun's coming out right now and the weather looks great for the coming weekend, i'll be on the snow...
Nice work, i recognize the spot. I looked at it many times when i lived there, good job getting up there. I'm the guy who pines for the Carson Range and Eastern Sierra everytime a TR is posted here. I've got to stop myself from looking at your post from now on, it's too hard on me. (Probably won't happen.) Luckily, the sun's coming out right now and the weather looks great for the coming weekend, i'll be on the snow...
Awesome trip. In my 3-4 tries of that route, I never did get it in condition enough to ski it. I'm excited to see that it is still good even this late in the season. Awesome work!
Great TR Amar and fully accurate account of my observations as well. Thanks for your articulate account of the day. Glad I got that photo of you skiing the Roman Wall above the clouds and Black Buttes!
The weather came in and out. On Saturday evening a thunderstorm went by us to the south but missed us. Sunday was variable visibility, but no precip where we were. One party turned around just below Lunch Counter reporting that you couldn't see a thing, but we had mostly good visibility. When I was on the false summit clouds were coming in and out around the summit, and the cloud deck kept enveloping treeline, which made me a little (more) nervous about my descent - I was concerned that I c...
Dude thats awsome. I almost went up that weekend too!!!! I looked at the weather and it said cloudy and snowing. Did you run into any of that up there? Good TR btw!
I think they're somewhat sneaky and mobile. But I'm not trying to be argumentative so sorry if it seems so. I'll also stifle myself now and stick to warm sunny basalt, granite, ryolite and sandstone.
Sweet trip, bstory.
Sweet trip, bstory.
Yeah, good point. I was just thinking from the perspective of having climbed it before and already knowing where those nasty cracks are. Id rather ski over them next time than boot across them on the way up.
I'll shut up now and stick to climbing warm granite.
I'll shut up now and stick to climbing warm granite.
What an in depth report.
Can you explain what proto
Corn is.
Can you explain what proto
Corn is.
Well done, bstory.
How would dropping into it help with knowing where those nasty bergschrund holes are at the bottom of the couloir? It seems like that would increase the risk, to me. At least climbing it you can scout it and make a conscientious decision of where the best place to ski through there is.
Edit: Perhaps I understand if you're doing it solo. Maybe in that case it's just risky both ways.
How would dropping into it help with knowing where those nasty bergschrund holes are at the bottom of the couloir? It seems like that would increase the risk, to me. At least climbing it you can scout it and make a conscientious decision of where the best place to ski through there is.
Edit: Perhaps I understand if you're doing it solo. Maybe in that case it's just risky both ways.
Nice one! I had a similar experience on the ICG this winter with thinly veiled schrund and crevasses. The hazards of the ICG probably merits a "top in" approach to this line. AJ Scott had an up close and personal experience with that huge bergschrund last spring!
Hell of a first TR -- sounds pretty sporty on the Ice Cliff, glad you found your way through it. Had my palms sweating a bit.
can I ask what upper Nash was like if you hit it? hoping it didn't slide I did it on the 21st of May and liked it.
Thanks Mlike
Thanks Mlike
great shot of the bird shaped creep line over by the spires,.. not sure what they call that slide path..?
Thanks for the great report Amar. I am in complete agreement with restricting the access area for snowmobilers on the Easton glacier. Several years ago, I was involved in an incident on the Easton where a snowmobiler had fallen into a crevasse with his machine, and we rescued him on our descent. As you noted, snowmobilers are ill equipped for glacier travel and are at considerable risk of breaking through snow bridges with their weight. We were the last skiers on the mountain that day, and...
Thanks Amar for another absolutely fantastic trip report and photos!!
Got to get my self up north and do the big B..
I'm thinking that the bad apples might be outnumbering the good ones, at least down here in Central Oregon ( the good ones must feel outnumbered hence not stepping up to the plate..).
Was skiing Bach yesterday and heaps of ripped up future corn from the bad apples (must be the folks saving spots at Dutchman Parking for their 4 day snomoe...
Got to get my self up north and do the big B..
I'm thinking that the bad apples might be outnumbering the good ones, at least down here in Central Oregon ( the good ones must feel outnumbered hence not stepping up to the plate..).
Was skiing Bach yesterday and heaps of ripped up future corn from the bad apples (must be the folks saving spots at Dutchman Parking for their 4 day snomoe...
Amar,
Great tr and pics and thank you for confronting the sledders. This is not an isolated occurrence and happens all over the state. A grave travesty that they are allowed on Mt. Baker, St. Helens, Adams, etc.
This is just going to cause the ultimate regulation of where they will be allowed to go in the future. I just don't understand why the law breakers continue to do this year after year and the legal sledders don't put a stop to it themselves before the Forest Service d...
Great tr and pics and thank you for confronting the sledders. This is not an isolated occurrence and happens all over the state. A grave travesty that they are allowed on Mt. Baker, St. Helens, Adams, etc.
This is just going to cause the ultimate regulation of where they will be allowed to go in the future. I just don't understand why the law breakers continue to do this year after year and the legal sledders don't put a stop to it themselves before the Forest Service d...
author=freeskiguide link=topic=20972.msg89747#msg89747 date=1306969567]
Tell that to Fred Beckey. He often used skis for his appoaches.Saw a 1945 picture of him on Silverstar off now HWy 20. He used leather boots, wood skis and leather and steel binding. As for late 70's Don,Eric,Steve, Dave, Eric, etc. all used pins in late 70's, Most still do. The gear was crappy by todays standard, but those boys were really tuff, no sleding devices for thses guys...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=20987.msg89699#msg89699 date=1306904189]
+1
This might not be your personal opinion, but it IS mine. Snowmobiling on Mt Baker is a travesty.
+ Another
author=Amar Andalkar link=topic=20987.msg89695#msg89695 date=1306903204]
Meanwhile, the USFS law enforcement officer has contacted me today by email, asking for photos, esp...
We took rd 4930 from lake kachess. Lake Lila might be a better option in winter. If I were to go back to hibox with the skiboards ..it would definitely be in winter.