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I was with Eric and what supprised me with the slide was we were continuously monitoring the snowpack and discussing slide potential but the snow wasn't "that slabby" and the different bed layers were not that clean. We thought that yes there could be a point release on the steeper parts but probably not a slab. As the day progressed the snow pack settled and changed its bonding.
When the slab cut loose the crown line didn't propagate perpendicular to t...
When the slab cut loose the crown line didn't propagate perpendicular to t...
Hmm, that is interesting. I was up taking a few runs off table that morning. I did notice a couple of flat spots that had small wind slab like characteristics and there was obvious compacting as I skinned up. Other than that nothing moved while I skied or tried to kick things off. I left at 10am and there was a big difference in the snow lower down by the parking lot. It was getting heavy and sticky about that time. What elevation were you at and what time of day did the slide happen...
Thanks ebeam. We had a similar experience that day as we walked out from our northwest facing ski near there at similar elevation - we left as powder was transitioning to styrofoam - but just before crossing a rock rib on a 35 + degree NW facing windpocket, I popped a slab 10 inches deep that didn't run anywhere, but instantly shot a crack out to my partner 10 yards in front of me on the other side of the gentle rib, popped on the windslab around shallow rocks. Not what we were...
Thanks for this excellent writeup sharing your observations of variety in snow stability in a very small area depending on terrain, wind affect, and sun.
Thanks. Think it my be visible now, but it's kind of a weak vid anyway.
Thanks for the TR! FYI, I'm logged in and: "This video either has been removed from Facebook or is not visible due to privacy settings."
author=Scotsman link=topic=17937.msg75973#msg75973 date=1289875276]
Cookie you are the Alex Trebeck of avalanche related threads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcp439tno-s&feature=related
Let's not forget "The-rapist". Classic.
author=ron j link=topic=17937.msg75976#msg75976 date=1289877294]
My apologies, Cookie, for questioning the sincerity of your attempt to promote further discussion.
No apologies needed! Given the spicy flavour of my remarks on this board, your skepticism was warranted.
author=CookieMonster link=topic=17937.msg75971#msg75971 date=1289874138]
Hey Ron,
The question was genuine.
My apologies, Cookie, for questioning the sincerity of your attempt to promote further discussion.
author=Scotsman link=topic=17937.msg75973#msg75973 date=1289875276]Cookie you are the Alex Trebeck of avalanche related threads.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcp439tno-s&feature=related
How about some random non-sequitors?
I like this one better: ( WARNING: NSFW Language. Profanity. It's from the Sean Connery / Nicholas Cage film "The Rock" )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-pIwA-E-UY
And...
author=CookieMonster link=topic=17937.msg75971#msg75971 date=1289874138]
Anyway, this is exactly right:
( For the general record, I can definitely be argumentative and snarky, but I do not troll. ) I occasionally post Q/A threads, but you'll notice that I mostly stay out of them and let the conversation flow without undue influence unless further discussion is warranted.
Cookie you are the Alex Trebeck...
Hey Ron,
The question was genuine. Your original post contains high quality obs, and I was just asking for some speculation I suppose, maybe on what you think would happen, general thoughts. Discussion, that sort of thing.
( If you were a mechanic, then I expect you would certainly have a great set of problem solving skills that would be an asset to these types of discussions. I'm a software developer, so I'm a mechanic too. I just work on virtual machines instea...
The question was genuine. Your original post contains high quality obs, and I was just asking for some speculation I suppose, maybe on what you think would happen, general thoughts. Discussion, that sort of thing.
( If you were a mechanic, then I expect you would certainly have a great set of problem solving skills that would be an asset to these types of discussions. I'm a software developer, so I'm a mechanic too. I just work on virtual machines instea...
Thanks for the pictures and the post, Jibber, and the ride! Fun day.
author=ron j link=topic=17937.msg75962#msg75962 date=1289861901]
Here's hoping I didn't dig up a bigger can of worms than I intended :)
Well by the depth of the snowpit you should not be surprised to have gotten a can of worms! :D
It's always good to get back in the swing of things. Let's call it a look-see. It never hurts to get a pulse for the snowpack no matter what the case is.
Many ye...
author=CookieMonster link=topic=17937.msg75954#msg75954 date=1289851282]
...Rank Speculation: High test scores probably a result of relatively small loads on those layers.
RonJ - Some analysis or comments?...
Me thinks I'm a tad reluctant to respond to this for a couple of reasons, Cookie...
1. I fear you may just be trolling me a bit, and
2. Even if you're not, I doubt I'm smart enough to come up wi...
Thanks for the observations.
Rank Speculation: High test scores probably a result of relatively small loads on those layers.
RonJ - Some analysis or comments?
Looks like the snowpack is cooking up nicely!
Rank Speculation: High test scores probably a result of relatively small loads on those layers.
RonJ - Some analysis or comments?
Looks like the snowpack is cooking up nicely!
author=shaman link=topic=17937.msg75926#msg75926 date=1289787399">
What observations were you able to make from the test pit?
See 2010-11-14 Report HERE (click on :Search Reports" button at the bottom).
On Friday, the snowpack at Paradise was horrid chaotic styrofoam above 7k. Poor coverage in many places that had been scraped bare by the wind. Lots of sastrugi at places with maximum wind speed such as crests.
At the top of Pan Point, I saw an older skin track that had been excavated by the wind, so the tracks appeared to "float" above the snow. Didn't see any notable wind slab, likely because high winds had simply blown most of the snow to Kingdom Come.
In...
At the top of Pan Point, I saw an older skin track that had been excavated by the wind, so the tracks appeared to "float" above the snow. Didn't see any notable wind slab, likely because high winds had simply blown most of the snow to Kingdom Come.
In...
author=cornRIDE link=topic=17947.msg75946#msg75946 date=1289845180]
figured i'd post in case some folks may just be curious about the snowpack and levels low enough for the 'casual outing' from the lot at paradise.
Well? I'm curious. What is the snowpack doing?
I've worked as a volunteer for the NPS -- the sledding hill at Paradise is a frequent source of injuries -- even with only "inflatible" / inner tube type sliding devices allowed. When I've worked as a volunteer, I listen to the radio chatter in the park -- it's pretty amazing the sort of antics that people engage it. The NPS rangers take a lot of flak from the public, but they are also the ones the expect to help them out when the get hurt, lost, slide off t...
Great days Fri/Sat.! These posts sure brought people out of the woodwork. I guess the positive is that you can bank on a skin track being set when you show up. That is, until the snow level drops and it's a 7 mile skin in...
It was still good on Saturday 11/13. We drove to the lake... maybe 2" of new overnight. Snow got heavy by mid afternoon. We yo-yo'd the slope south of the lakes. 4 other groups and 2 snowmobiles up there.
Hi tele-lurker, We were the group of two that met you at 9500'. Thanks again for a nice up-track. Kudos for managing to hold onto your gear switching modes in that wind. The rest of the way to Muir was nutty windy with constant duck and cover to stay on two sticks. Good choice.
Zack
Zack
Welcome tele-lurker.
Thaanks for the report.
Thaanks for the report.
Silas, nice to see those photos bigger than on the iphone when you showed me yesterday. ski ya soon.
Now that Mother Nature has decided to wash away our powder high, here's a memory of the good times http://vimeo.com/16834612
The season is just beginning!
The season is just beginning!
Sleds are harder to steer than skis (though I tend to ski as if I had two sleds on my feet!). Even in controlled circumstances, sledding=broken bones.
I talked with some of the rangers, they said they have never given a ticket to sledders, just told folks to go east. They do, however, give tickets for pooches.
I talked with some of the rangers, they said they have never given a ticket to sledders, just told folks to go east. They do, however, give tickets for pooches.
Sledding? I'm sure this has been covered here, but how do they justify banning sledding? How is it conceptually any different than skiing?
What observations were you able to make from the test pit?
One of these days I'll purchase a "real" splitboard instead of limping around on my homemade one (which is in repair atm). Then I can be considered a "lazy" backcountry skier too. ;D
It's probably just my poor skinning skills, but if there is a good boot track, (ie Muir or Sherman) I can boot it up faster than I can skin it.
It's probably just my poor skinning skills, but if there is a good boot track, (ie Muir or Sherman) I can boot it up faster than I can skin it.
they'll raise $ anyway, and anytime they can. apparently, yr-round positions
author=Joedabaker link=topic=17927.msg75909#msg75909 date=1289761575]
There is also something especially satisfying about getting out of your car and starting to ski right away. ;D
Thanks for the validation of my long held belief on the sport of backcountry "skiing" versus "hiking". I developed this belief in my late 50's and now being in my mid 60's I think I'm on to something rather novel. :...
author=telemack link=topic=17926.msg75915#msg75915 date=1289769015]
Where is this, and what highway is it accessed from?
North of Roslyn. I-90 over Snoqualmie Pass, get off at Roslyn and head north. Once you get past civilization and beyond the lake, turn left up French Cabin Road. You hang a right eventually and continue to the end of the road.
Also known as, it's in the middle of nowhere. :)
Where is this, and what highway is it accessed from?
author=~Link~ link=topic=17927.msg75908#msg75908 date=1289760462]
Way to get after it on boot, there is something especially satisfying about marching up the hill on foot. Heavy goods in Silver Basin, too.
Conversely, there is something especially dissatisfying about marching DOWNHILL with skis on your shoulder. Nice to meet you out there Link!
Police State Wilderness !!!!!!(to borrow a recent term.)
author=~Link~ link=topic=17927.msg75908#msg75908 date=1289760462]
there is something especially satisfying about marching up the hill on foot.
Sounds like the banter of youth.
There is also something especially satisfying about getting out of your car and starting to ski right away. ;D
Way to get after it on boot, there is something especially satisfying about marching up the hill on foot. Heavy goods in Silver Basin, too.
Thanks alecapone! I will be giving them a call.
I dig your optimism.
FLow rep.. 949-361-5260.....
tell em you fear for your life in the bc and need spare parts. They sent me a nicely stocked bag of harware. straps, rachets, all them funky screws flow uses....
FLow rep.. 949-361-5260.....
tell em you fear for your life in the bc and need spare parts. They sent me a nicely stocked bag of harware. straps, rachets, all them funky screws flow uses....
Nice call! I suspected Green Valley to be good, same altitude as Chinook Pass. Good for you booting it up there. Nice job on the binding repair.
If you want to be nice to your skins you can start skinning at the bottom of cat skinner....
It took about 3 hours to hike to the top of the Hortsman....At this elevation we found the good snow...
It took about 3 hours to hike to the top of the Hortsman....At this elevation we found the good snow...
author=Rusty Knees link=topic=17913.msg75875#msg75875 date=1289674324]
Maybe I should have been grunting louder going into every turn. (Paul Parker reference).
Growling like a bear seems to improve my turns (at least when I'm skiing on Kodiaks). I picked it up from a 4-year old kid at Snoqualmie with a bear-head mask on his helmet.
author=kneel turner link=topic=17913.msg75853#msg75853 date=1289631663]
??? If yer not crashing, yer not skiing hard enough. And "there's no such thing as bad snow..."
But there are bad skiers. ;) Seriously - I would like to work on that kind of snow more - and try that "hammering through it"style. Maybe I should have been grunting louder going into every turn. (Paul...
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I feel pretty good about this. A more accurate depiction of the day would have had me falling in both of these shots.
Even better Paul... it ain't you. :)
More redeeming photos here.
author=Teleskichica link=topic=17913.msg75848#msg75848 date=1289627371]
the first is you and the second... I'll let him remain anonymous :)
I feel pretty good about this. A more accurate depiction of the day would have had me falling in both of these shots.
Congratulations, season-openers. Where does skinnable snow begin if you start from base 2 at Blackcomb. Whistler Creekside any better? Thanks, N
Thank for sharing Andy....
I told you it was going to be worth it....
We should have gone for the Alpine start like I suggested....(The last photo of Andy.....I think he was ready to stay up high and tour all night...Next time we will leave earlier than eleven thirty from base 2 of Blackcomb.
I told you it was going to be worth it....
We should have gone for the Alpine start like I suggested....(The last photo of Andy.....I think he was ready to stay up high and tour all night...Next time we will leave earlier than eleven thirty from base 2 of Blackcomb.