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Cookie,
Totally agree that air temp is big factor in overall gradient in the pack. But isn't the key simply the existence of a temperature gradient (whatever's causing it), especially a high local gradient?
Earth at some temperature greater than freezing, snow on top of it at some lower temperature, small gaps due to groundcover where crystals have room to grow. Would it have been possible for faceting to occur despite the warm air temps? Heck if I know. So far I'm...
Totally agree that air temp is big factor in overall gradient in the pack. But isn't the key simply the existence of a temperature gradient (whatever's causing it), especially a high local gradient?
Earth at some temperature greater than freezing, snow on top of it at some lower temperature, small gaps due to groundcover where crystals have room to grow. Would it have been possible for faceting to occur despite the warm air temps? Heck if I know. So far I'm...
awesome photos, that's amazing, thanks for sharing
author=andyrew link=topic=17747.msg75145#msg75145 date=1288637924">
Wow, I skied that shot on Wednesday, and stayed as far skiers left as I could without getting into the mini-gully. Thanks for the pics. A good reminder that even small terrain can have bad consequences with the wrong conditions.
Good point.
That gully you refer to skier's right of the subject slide I refer to as "
author=~Link~ link=topic=17783.msg75128#msg75128 date=1288622812]
With all do respect, changed to lower case, which is implicit of falling rain as originally intended; the uppercase was somewhat ambiguous. :)
Nonetheless, if we're going to get that evangelical, you might reconsider your TAY quote, Rusty... ;)
Amen, Brothuh - preach it!
Wow, I skied that shot on Wednesday, and stayed as far skiers left as I could without getting into the mini-gully. Thanks for the pics. A good reminder that even small terrain can have bad consequences with the wrong conditions.
author=natefred link=topic=17747.msg75140#msg75140 date=1288635342]
Thanks for the conditions info and great pics.
Huh. Here's my thinking: Since it's the relative warmth of the ground and the coldness of the snow that creates the temperature gradient promoting faceting at the bottom of the pack, if the ground is warmer than it would be mid-winter then I guess the somewhat warmer ground could further encourage faceting. If the ground were...
Here's my thinking. It rained a lot!
Thanks for the conditions info and great pics.
Huh. Here's my thinking: Since it's the relative warmth of the ground and the coldness of the snow that creates the temper...
author=Joedabaker link=topic=17747.msg74998#msg74998 date=1288370614]
What tends to be the trend in a early snowpack with a warmer (early season) ground and cold top surface? More rounding of the snow at the bottom near the ground?
Huh. Here's my thinking: Since it's the relative warmth of the ground and the coldness of the snow that creates the temper...
Ron, Thanks for the amazing photos. Looks like a Size 2 to me.
A buddy and I also got some great turns in yesterday. The sunshine was a pleasant surprise, as was the new snow on top. We skied up Edith Basin to Mazama, and did a couple of laps, not the softest of snow, but new and movable none the less. It was way better than Sat. when we were in the clouds on top of the ridge, and the snow was very technical. Any time in the snowy mountains is always a good time though!
Great to meet you all too. It was a glorious day up there especially for October turns!
I think you had the best of the weather and snow. Skiing in the flat light and crust was a real challenge on the descent!
I think you had the best of the weather and snow. Skiing in the flat light and crust was a real challenge on the descent!
Way to get it.
I'm surprised that the skiing was that good. I was tempted to get up there, but to much fiddling around still. ;)
That road has been there forever and a day.
I'm surprised that the skiing was that good. I was tempted to get up there, but to much fiddling around still. ;)
That road has been there forever and a day.
author=Rusty Knees link=topic=17783.msg75126#msg75126 date=1288619077]
Hush, child! - you're not supposed to utter the "weather that shall not be named" I'd advise you to modify your post before Ullr wakes up furious.
With all do respect, changed to lower case, which is implicit of falling rain as originally intended; the uppercase was somewhat ambiguous. :)
Nonetheless, if we�...
Hush, child! - you're not supposed to utter the "weather that shall not be named" I'd advise you to modify your post before Ullr wakes up furious.
Hey Rusty Knees and Telemack! I miss skiing with you guys! Mack, thanks for the compliment, but I'm hardly the first guy up there this year, unless what I was seeing was a mostly buried snowshoe track rather than skin track. :)
lolob, surprisingly my skis did not get dinged today. I was even kinda expecting a few new scratches, but I got out clean. If I were able to do laps up high today, then I really would not have had anything to worry about, as it was surprisingly deep wh...
lolob, surprisingly my skis did not get dinged today. I was even kinda expecting a few new scratches, but I got out clean. If I were able to do laps up high today, then I really would not have had anything to worry about, as it was surprisingly deep wh...
Lookin' good up there for the end of October!
That's early for Bullion, Mosetick; way to lead the charge.
Mosetick, did you hit any rocks on your way down or was the snow deep enough to keep you from dinging your skis? Sounds like a nice day on the snow...it sure was a beautiful day in Seattle...wish I had been skiing instead of moving into a new house.
Hey, Chris! I wondered about you, today. Glad you got your turns in. We should have talked. I took my Br-in-law out to Paradise for his first time on AT gear. Sounds like we had the same snow and weather.
Hell of a release. Took several photos of it from Mazama Ridge today.
I broke off a healthy chunk of the agglomerated Fig Newtons, then saved the rest of the wad for next time out. FWIW, they tasted just about the same as ever.
Thanks for the welcome(s).
Mark
Thanks for the welcome(s).
Mark
I'd be guessing but maybe 5 or 6 ' .Ron J has a pic and will post it.
There was some rain up there as well so could have been lubed up. It didn't run up hill any but stopped as slope flattened out.
There was some rain up there as well so could have been lubed up. It didn't run up hill any but stopped as slope flattened out.
Robie, Thanks for the observation. Sounds like a classic thaw-induced slab. Do you have any idea about the depth of the deposit?
I was up there also, with a buddy on saturday. We stopped short of pan point where the white out began. Whatever fresh snow that had fallen was now consolidated. The consolidated snow was softened enough to catch your edge, but not soft enough to feather easily with your ski. I augered in more than a few times using the various excuses of: whiteout vertigo, first day using my new boots, too much time spent on the couch this summer, and simple old age.
A fresh hit of snow is needed to...
A fresh hit of snow is needed to...
Cookie, back to the subject at hand somewhere between your observations on the 27th and today the 31th there was a down to the ground slide in Edith basin SE aspect on the north end of ALta Vista ridge.just south of the saddle with pan point ridge. Most likely triggered by warming snow on trees or cliff face . Side walls better than 2' . Took the whole thing down to the flats.500'long perhaps 80' wide.
We steered clear of similar.
sorry no photos I left my chip at home.<...
We steered clear of similar.
sorry no photos I left my chip at home.<...
good to meet you at the brewery glenn! good times to be had up on hogsback this year.
trevor
trevor
Hello my name is Tim & I too AM an Alpentalic who loves to ski lifts, bc, or simply do ski skin walk up to check out my favorite stompin grounds Silver Peak as I did last night (ready for some turns next big dump). I live on Snoqualmie Pass, which many of you know, and now drive an eight hundred dollar awd mini cause that's what could afford. The bright side of the mini van is not only how hip they have become again but the fact it can haul 6 of my best ski friends which you could be on...
Oh I'm sure that he would address me directly if he had something to say.
author=Clawskinner link=topic=17741.msg75057#msg75057 date=1288463828]
I saw his prints on my way up. Was 20 minutes behind you. Got me thinking about buying a pup soon. I have not been able to do it since mine died 15 yrs ago. It was a good day.
Yea I understand. Took me years to get over the early death of my beloved Boris, a Great Dane I had.
Touring with your dog can be so rewarding. I love it.
Get your puppy.
author=CookieMonster link=topic=17747.msg75059#msg75059 date=1288463844]
No pictures, no video.
I'm not sure what you mean about the relationship between spending more time on the lifts and having more fun on the way down. Can you clarify?
I think he was trying to say that your skiing would improve if you rode the lifts more.
He's obviously ticked off about your comments regrading spammy posts on TGR but...
author=The Snow Troopers link=topic=17747.msg75051#msg75051 date=1288459055]
If you spend a little more time on the lifts the backcountry skiing will become fun on the way down too!
Way to get after it thought... Any pics or vid?
BEST,
TNT
No pictures, no video.
I'm not sure what you mean about the relationship between spending more time on the lifts and having more fun on the way...
I saw his prints on my way up. Was 20 minutes behind you. Got me thinking about buying a pup soon. I have not been able to do it since mine died 15 yrs ago. It was a good day.
If you spend a little more time on the lifts the backcountry skiing will become fun on the way down too!
Way to get after it thought... Any pics or vid?
BEST,
TNT
Way to get after it thought... Any pics or vid?
BEST,
TNT
So did you eat the Fig Newtons? I know I would.
Fair amount of consolidation today. On the steps above the Panorama Point overlook today there were 4+ inches of new snow over a wet, icy crust; the new snow slid while trying to skin up the lower step; FWIW. Lots of exposed rock around. Wet cement just above Paradise Parking Lot. However, nice nice powder on Pan Face for the ski down :-). But it sure looks like the present snow will be substantially consolidated, if not gone, by Wednesday.
holy cow Mark! thats a heck of an adventure!
welcome back to the snow :)
welcome back to the snow :)
author=CookieMonster link=topic=17755.msg75010#msg75010 date=1288377271]
why the 15 month streak of no skiing?
c.f., http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593711&highlight=guiana
So, if you don't mind my asking: why the 15 month streak of no skiing? Inquiring minds want to know. ( But don't have to know. )
Glad to hear someone laid down some turns at Stevens. I was wondering how the skiing was up there...but decided I'd save my bases until a little more snow falls.
author=kneel turner link=topic=17741.msg75000#msg75000 date=1288372883]
I sometimes put a "leash" on my dog Chinook when he goes skiing with me and Nazi-dog-hater-skiers are around.
I had Chugach my Husky with me in the South Back this day and he got really tired by the end of the day due to all the postholing.
He gets back home and tells my wife Pam.
( in doggy language of course)
" Some best...
author=Scotsman link=topic=17741.msg75005#msg75005 date=1288374960]
What I have discovered is that the zip- tie always fails at the clasp unless it has been cut.
That is not surprising to me at all. Climbing ropes can fail at knot points because of significantly higher stress concentrations. I imagine this is the case with zip ties as well.
^^^^^^ Yeah well you teleheads better get releasable bindings is all I have to say. ;) Always concerns me when I'm with a telehead in Avy terrain. Very well documented that skis on= much deeper burial=less survivability.
But you all know that already!
I'm pretty convinced that the zip-ties can be way stronger than people think and still reliably break in the forces expected in an avy.
What I have discovered is that the zip- tie always fails at the clasp unless it...
But you all know that already!
I'm pretty convinced that the zip-ties can be way stronger than people think and still reliably break in the forces expected in an avy.
What I have discovered is that the zip- tie always fails at the clasp unless it...
Welcome back Mark. Your insightful TR's have been missed. Please be careful in the early season so you may continue to provide the truly accurate representation of a journey into the wilds of snow country.
One of your many fans. ;)
Zap
One of your many fans. ;)
Zap
Hoar frost forms during clear cold nights, on surfaces that face the sky. There are two essential requirements for surface hoar formation: moisture supply from humid air and intense cooling of the snow surface from longwave radiation loss. Vegetation such as trees inhibits cooling by reflecting longwave radiation back at the snow.
Terrain features such as concave areas also reflect longwave radiation back into the snow cover, which will inhibit surface hoar formation in some places. T...
Terrain features such as concave areas also reflect longwave radiation back into the snow cover, which will inhibit surface hoar formation in some places. T...
Ummmmmmm..., What the "H" are you guys talking about?
I looked at my bindings, and they have a cable thingy with a flipiddy-doo on the back. I read the owner's manual, and it didn't say anything about "release" or this "DIN" thing you keep referring to. Is this bad?
I use Zip ties to fix the cable thingy when it breaks occasionally, and I sometimes put a "leash" on my dog Chinook when he goes skiing with me and Nazi-dog-h...
I looked at my bindings, and they have a cable thingy with a flipiddy-doo on the back. I read the owner's manual, and it didn't say anything about "release" or this "DIN" thing you keep referring to. Is this bad?
I use Zip ties to fix the cable thingy when it breaks occasionally, and I sometimes put a "leash" on my dog Chinook when he goes skiing with me and Nazi-dog-h...
Hey Sam, I ditto the really great pics comments ~ the video was fun, too - too bad we can't upload them directly here...
About your famousskiier website, I think I like it better when I thought that maybe you had, like, a secret handshake and a cadre of tele-babes... ;D
About your famousskiier website, I think I like it better when I thought that maybe you had, like, a secret handshake and a cadre of tele-babes... ;D