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We ran up there this AM for a few turns despite the grim looking report from the weather stations. There was probably 6" of snow in the parking lot and 3" of water...
We were able to skin from the parking lot. We went up to the ridge and I was able to get some turns on the back side in some classic cascade crud. Coverage wasn't too bad, but you do need to keep an eye out for boulders/rocks/trees.
Despite the less than ideal conditions, we had a great time. I...
We were able to skin from the parking lot. We went up to the ridge and I was able to get some turns on the back side in some classic cascade crud. Coverage wasn't too bad, but you do need to keep an eye out for boulders/rocks/trees.
Despite the less than ideal conditions, we had a great time. I...
We hit the north couloir off Blue lake with pics. Posting TR soon.
Yep, could have been us.
Wish I would have had a camera for some pics - oh well!
Wish I would have had a camera for some pics - oh well!
great pic! Got any others? Nice report.
Thanks very much for posting this. I think I might be able to get my buddy to go up now.
If you make it up please report back to the rest of the cattle. ;D
Looks pretty grim up there according to highway and ski area webcams. :'(
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We were up there yesterday and had snow falling most of the morning.
Probably you guys we saw as we drove past throwing on your skins.
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Jane and I didn't take skis; it was just an early winter backpack. If you were willing to carry the skis several miles up the trail, you could find a section to ski on, but lower down there are frequent bare spots. Also, the several small meadows lower down do not have enough snow cover to prevent damage to the vegetation, which is quite spectacular in the spring. (If you want to see Jeffe...
Dear crustos,
Not a medical person, but I have suffered from both HACE and the inner ear inflammation. HACE in Bolivia at about 18,000 ft. wiped me out, terrible head ache needed help to descend and improved during the next two days at about 14,000 ft. Your symptoms sound exactly like my inner ear experience which improved in a matter of hours. My doc explained it is possible for movement to help with the inflammation. Something about the fluid in the inner ear gets lumpy and needs to...
Not a medical person, but I have suffered from both HACE and the inner ear inflammation. HACE in Bolivia at about 18,000 ft. wiped me out, terrible head ache needed help to descend and improved during the next two days at about 14,000 ft. Your symptoms sound exactly like my inner ear experience which improved in a matter of hours. My doc explained it is possible for movement to help with the inflammation. Something about the fluid in the inner ear gets lumpy and needs to...
We were up there yesterday and had snow falling most of the morning. Some good fresh powder on an alternating crusty base and then breaking thru. All in all there were some rocks - at least I found one or two but not bad considering. We headed towards blue lake col and did several nice runs.
We also did some nice skiing up the Cuthroat Lake trail, though there are more rocks exposed currently it was some good skiing!
We also did some nice skiing up the Cuthroat Lake trail, though there are more rocks exposed currently it was some good skiing!
Good to see you still getting out this fall Larry. Great picture.
Thanks A-E,
Jane and I didn't take skis; it was just an early winter backpack. If you were willing to carry the skis several miles up the trail, you could find a section to ski on, but lower down there are frequent bare spots. Also, the several small meadows lower down do not have enough snow cover to prevent damage to the vegetation, which is quite spectacular in the spring. (If you want to see Jeffery's Shooting Star, this is a great place in season.)
Larry
Jane and I didn't take skis; it was just an early winter backpack. If you were willing to carry the skis several miles up the trail, you could find a section to ski on, but lower down there are frequent bare spots. Also, the several small meadows lower down do not have enough snow cover to prevent damage to the vegetation, which is quite spectacular in the spring. (If you want to see Jeffery's Shooting Star, this is a great place in season.)
Larry
Thanks very much for posting this. I think I might be able to get my buddy to go up now.
Hmm, sounds tempting. Maybe, possibly not too good to be true.
Sucks about the mechanical malfunction, but perhaps better now than when things progress more towards epic-er conditions, best ta work out the kinks now I'd say. :)
Sucks about the mechanical malfunction, but perhaps better now than when things progress more towards epic-er conditions, best ta work out the kinks now I'd say. :)
That's some real dedication. The photos of your skinning is too much ! I believe the couloir has an angle of 40 degrees. It's the upper part of it that looks to have exposure. If you hit Travertine, have you skied Virginia Lks ? That's my spring spot. Drop me a line come April,
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A quick snow report from Esmeralda Basin. Jane and I booted it up from the parking lot where there was 4 to 6 inches of snow, to the horse camp about 6000 feet. Snow depth was quite variable, anywhere from not much to near a foot at the camp, more in drifts.
Thanks as always for your informative posts. Did you take skis and even attempt to ski from the TH, o...
Awesome panorama Lar. It sure felt like winter had arrived waking up to 10 degrees outside. Glad I included my down hood.
Sliding down instead of walking will be a reality soon!
Jane
Sliding down instead of walking will be a reality soon!
Jane
where did you get those unreal topsheets on your skis? very cool! ;D
way to get after it, slages.
stevo saw you driving down 20 on his way to work and was wondering why you didnt call him.
glad you had fun.
stevo saw you driving down 20 on his way to work and was wondering why you didnt call him.
glad you had fun.
thanks for taking the time to do this, it will help when selecting a route in the coming days. More pics the merrier.
Thanks and may it snow hard and soon,
Chris
Thanks and may it snow hard and soon,
Chris
The couloir was sufficiently covered. I don't think any of us hit any rocks. The only problem is that underlying crust made the depth of the dry sugary snow vary from 6" to 12"+. We were at least knee deep booting up. I included a clipped map from google maps that shows where i think we skied. (i know the picture should be a thumbnail, but i only had one in the original post....i hope that is okay). I'll call matt and see if he can chime i...
How very timely of you to post this report- thanks for the update! I have been watching the telemetry for quite awhile now and think the time is becoming right for a ski up to the blue lake col near early winters spire. As always, that lower portion is pretty dense and can cause some route-finding problems. Did you by any chance see the col and did the snow seem to be a sufficient depth for non rock skiing? We went last year quite a bit earlier, but with much more snow having recently fall...
Nice to see you got out Larry- and thanks for the report.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving!
hey crustos
glad your feeling better.
check out dr. charles houston (the grandfather of mountain medicine) last book " men, mountains & oxygen" - something like that title.. great up dates on AMS et.
the biggest " clue" here is that when you went down you got better....
cheers
rob
glad your feeling better.
check out dr. charles houston (the grandfather of mountain medicine) last book " men, mountains & oxygen" - something like that title.. great up dates on AMS et.
the biggest " clue" here is that when you went down you got better....
cheers
rob
Wow, I’ve been away for a while.
I also enjoy playing detective, in this case way out of my depth. But I am the patient, so I get to play.
The International Society for Mountain Medicine says of AMS: “universally present is a headache” But I didn’t have one.
Still, it’s hard to shake the idea that altitude had nothing to do with it. Mostly because it happened way up there and I live way down here. And it went away, eventually, as I descended.
None of my br...
I also enjoy playing detective, in this case way out of my depth. But I am the patient, so I get to play.
The International Society for Mountain Medicine says of AMS: “universally present is a headache” But I didn’t have one.
Still, it’s hard to shake the idea that altitude had nothing to do with it. Mostly because it happened way up there and I live way down here. And it went away, eventually, as I descended.
None of my br...
thanks for the Intel... not that Paradise Glacier was all that complicated. after I saw you i hid out in the Muir climbers cabin for about 20 minutes. winds started diminishing at about that time and continued to a dead calm by sunset. good to see you up there!!! can't say i was expecting 3000 vert of goodness but hey, it pays to go high...
I'm finding muir itself to be a bit boring...but for all the grip about muir as the old standby there's a lot of...
I'm finding muir itself to be a bit boring...but for all the grip about muir as the old standby there's a lot of...
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Nice goin you guys, I like the "Jack Frost" pic.
Yeah. I totally called him out on it and had to snap a pic- he willingly posed, and sure enough is the spitting image of jack frost.
Maybe some snowlerbades would have been even better.
Nice goin you guys, I like the "Jack Frost" pic.
Don- thanks for driving and providing a good time! Ed- nice to meet you and hope to see you out on the lift served soon!
Here are some pics of our windy adventure:
http://picasaweb.google.com/christopherlyles/MuirWithEdAndDon?authkey=2L0N5GiUoqQ&pli=1#
Here are some pics of our windy adventure:
http://picasaweb.google.com/christopherlyles/MuirWithEdAndDon?authkey=2L0N5GiUoqQ&pli=1#
Hey Crustos,
I feel your pain. Literally. Happened to me yesterday on Muir, not as rough as you had it. I think my case was triggered by poor visibility/motion sickness. I also tried to keep skiing, but once that kicked in, I was pretty much toast. When my brain was telling me I was stopped, not moving, but my skis were still moving - backwards - then my stomach started chiming in with it's own agenda.
Thanks again, Ed and Chris for hanging with...
I feel your pain. Literally. Happened to me yesterday on Muir, not as rough as you had it. I think my case was triggered by poor visibility/motion sickness. I also tried to keep skiing, but once that kicked in, I was pretty much toast. When my brain was telling me I was stopped, not moving, but my skis were still moving - backwards - then my stomach started chiming in with it's own agenda.
Thanks again, Ed and Chris for hanging with...
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Yea,!!! diagonise fight!!!!
This is getting to be like an episode of " House MD".
I loved the episode where all the skiers were in the emergency room, arguing with each other about the diagnosis for most of the show. At the last minute before the show ended, Dr. House walked in, said "Broken leg," and walked out. He's suc...
Yes, we're just bored.
This one's for you, Scotsman! ;)
I was thinking of the fact that crustos made good time to Muir, felt OK, took a break, started skiing down (motion) -felt dizzy, sat down (no motion) -felt better, skied again then had sudden onset of dizziness resulting in nausea.
In his own words- "noteworthy parts, for me, were the lack of headache and the lag between reaching my high point and my feeling most sick. I was just sure I woul...
This one's for you, Scotsman! ;)
I was thinking of the fact that crustos made good time to Muir, felt OK, took a break, started skiing down (motion) -felt dizzy, sat down (no motion) -felt better, skied again then had sudden onset of dizziness resulting in nausea.
In his own words- "noteworthy parts, for me, were the lack of headache and the lag between reaching my high point and my feeling most sick. I was just sure I woul...
I saw that fox-critter in the Paradise lot Monday around sunset and was wondering what he was. Crazy looking bugger.
Savegondor, I think I may have run into you just below muir. I'm glad you found your stash. It was so windy I just wanted to get lower. I followed the bands below moon rocks for great turns too. Aside from the wind it was a great day to bag my first true TAY.
I was also disgusted too by all the meadow mashers who decided a few turns on heather and grass was easier than a fifty foot walk. I talked to a couple of rangers who said they just don't have the ability to babysi...
I was also disgusted too by all the meadow mashers who decided a few turns on heather and grass was easier than a fifty foot walk. I talked to a couple of rangers who said they just don't have the ability to babysi...
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We are bored, aren't we? Should we add exclamation points!!!, bold font, italics and all CAPS to make this more exciting? ::)
So, Teleskichica, where would you suggest putting exclamation points?? I fe!el like the CAPS mig!ht be going a little far...I get yel...
correct you are!
i participatd in a rescue on denali with HACE climber.. took all night to get him to 17,000 but he was well after that..
on acongagua treated climber for HAPE..
while climbing fast myself in ecador ( over 20,000) i experianced blurred vision which was i think early on set of HACE..
cheers
i participatd in a rescue on denali with HACE climber.. took all night to get him to 17,000 but he was well after that..
on acongagua treated climber for HAPE..
while climbing fast myself in ecador ( over 20,000) i experianced blurred vision which was i think early on set of HACE..
cheers
author=Scotsman link=topic=11308.msg46918#msg46918 date=1227724221]
Yea,!!! diagonise fight!!!!
This is getting to be like an episode of " House MD".
We are bored, aren't we? Should we add exclamation points!!!, bold font, italics and all CAPS to make this more exciting? ::)
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would even go so far as to suggest HACE as he was having so much difficulty walking.. classic. both HAPE & HACE have been reported @ 10,000 feet
Especially in the cascades and the volcanos, where the elevation gain is dramatically seen, and with an accelerated pace, can induce any of the symtoms previously mentioned.
A few years back I did a solo as...
Yea,!!! diagonise fight!!!!
This is getting to be like an episode of " House MD".
This is getting to be like an episode of " House MD".
because the skier is better- ear infection is ruled out. I am still sticking with AMS however, acute GI ( food issues) cannot be ruled out . he may have puked all the bugs out.
if it was the inner ear symptoms would have persisted
if it was the inner ear symptoms would have persisted
labyrinthitis--or inflammation of the labyrinth-- is typically trigerred after a URI such as a cold, most often viral, occasionally bacterial. It it is characterized by vertigo--a severe spinning sensation that occurs with movement and may trigger vomitting which is different than dizzy(lightheaded). Suspect the altitude may have induced some dizziness, exacerbated inflammation of the inner ear and acute labyrinthitis took you out with vertigo. This can last from a few seconds to weeks. And can...
would even go so far as to suggest HACE as he was having so much difficulty walking.. classic. both HAPE & HACE have been reported @ 10,000 feet
sure vote.
but had the inner ear been an issue - descent would not have worked the cure... again so many cases such as this have been reported/ presented / treated ( per Hackett et) - hard not to make a case for AMS
but had the inner ear been an issue - descent would not have worked the cure... again so many cases such as this have been reported/ presented / treated ( per Hackett et) - hard not to make a case for AMS
Never have I seen so many people on the Muir Snowfield. Or maybe I have been lucky in the past and timed it just right. Seemed like I saw at least 125 skiers and only 6 snowshoers the entire day?
We left the lot at 9 a.m. and called 9k our high point. Had lunch and skied down to Pebble Creek and beyond.
Fun creamy turns all the way down with minimal frosty spots.
Hit the death cookie fest below pebble creek as we took line after line that sent us to 6500' with onl...
We left the lot at 9 a.m. and called 9k our high point. Had lunch and skied down to Pebble Creek and beyond.
Fun creamy turns all the way down with minimal frosty spots.
Hit the death cookie fest below pebble creek as we took line after line that sent us to 6500' with onl...
Alright, let's vote. This will do absolutely no good, but let's do it anyways.
Defineately an equilibrium problem caused by a compromise of the inner ear.
Defineately an equilibrium problem caused by a compromise of the inner ear.
Jason, you would definetly be able to get up there if you left Seattle earlyish. There is no bushwacking involved to get to the skiing above Lake Ann, and it's only a mile or two each way. I may see you up there!
meant to add the most important treatment is exactly what you did.. go down..
sounds like classic AMS to me.
if it walks like a duck and looks like a duck it is most likely a duck.
too fast an ascent.
have seen and treated HAPE - HACE and AMS
sea level to muir is a dramatic increase in elevation ....
if it walks like a duck and looks like a duck it is most likely a duck.
too fast an ascent.
have seen and treated HAPE - HACE and AMS
sea level to muir is a dramatic increase in elevation ....