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Nicely done! Was up on the 4th as well and skied from Point Success to Wilson HW. Plans were to ski the Kautz HW the next day but when we saw the route we had the same thought, not a skiable line.
Looks like a stunning ski down.
Nice Trip.
The last pic is Snowdome from Cooper Spur looking across Elliot?
The last pic is Snowdome from Cooper Spur looking across Elliot?
author=savegondor link=topic=21382.msg91535#msg91535 date=1309994142]
i agree Kath - I also would like to promote the idea of policy change at the NPS. Conservation is achieved through good discretion and the building of cooperative relationship. NPS's attitude is all too often not productive toward this end or goal.
i agree wholeheartedly .. hence my earlier campaign to bring gator in as the new supt .. anyhow .. l...
i agree Kath - I also would like to promote the idea of policy change at the NPS. Conservation is achieved through good discretion and the building of cooperative relationship. NPS's attitude is all too often not productive toward this end or goal.
author=kath link=topic=21382.msg91532#msg91532 date=1309987022]
if you knew you were in the wrong .. which you obviously did .. then you gotta take what's coming .. whether or...
Well, your story below is almost certainly the party they were looking for...but found ME instead. I guess it makes me more jaded to learn that they actually tried to do the right thing and that the NPS decided to get their posse going anyway. Hiker D must have given out a couple names when he initially tried to get the permit b/c ranger Sue and Ranger Rick had some names they were looking for but no location. They even scoffed at me when I said I hadn't seen anybody else...
Shortly after the Glacier Basin trail opened this year, while Glacier Basin was under about 10-ft of snow, we were asked by Rangers to move our tent (we had a permit for Glacier Basin overnight stay). Our tent was set on a preexisting tent platform dug on the snow from a previous party which was probably on about 10-ft deep snow over ground.
The Rangers forced us to move laterally about 40-ft to a "designated" site. Since designated sites were not marked and unknown with so...
The Rangers forced us to move laterally about 40-ft to a "designated" site. Since designated sites were not marked and unknown with so...
if you knew you were in the wrong .. which you obviously did .. then you gotta take what's coming .. whether or not you were honest and admitted it ..
personally we have never had a prob with the rangers at white river .. on the contrary they have been really cool .. but my god .. the permits are free, unlike in the olys, and so ez to get, unlike in the north cascades np .. just do it .. that way they have an idea of who is out there and where in case of a rescue and to monitor...
personally we have never had a prob with the rangers at white river .. on the contrary they have been really cool .. but my god .. the permits are free, unlike in the olys, and so ez to get, unlike in the north cascades np .. just do it .. that way they have an idea of who is out there and where in case of a rescue and to monitor...
interesting, this trip report reminds me of another story i heard this weekend, differing in several, very critical, details. let's see if someone else notices:
skiers A, B and C went out to ski and snow camp out of sunrise on the weekend july 2-3. at some point, they party realized a error in their plans: though they were planning on snow camping, summer season had arrived in the park and they had no permit. trying to do The Right Thing, they contacted a friend/family member, h...
skiers A, B and C went out to ski and snow camp out of sunrise on the weekend july 2-3. at some point, they party realized a error in their plans: though they were planning on snow camping, summer season had arrived in the park and they had no permit. trying to do The Right Thing, they contacted a friend/family member, h...
I enjoyed reading this trip report. Thanks for posting the pictures. Dogs and Corn--great combination.
Possible w/o runnels, don't think it's possible w/o mosquitoes! We hit it nicely in June of '07, but the mosquitoes ate us alive!
author=tabski link=topic=21383.msg91522#msg91522 date=1309983273]
What do you mean "last big ski trip of the year"? :-[
I've got 4 nights/week of classes this summer, which means I'll probably have at least a full day of studying every weekend... cramps the style a bit :)
Killer report, Marcus!
What do you mean "last big ski trip of the year"? :-[
What do you mean "last big ski trip of the year"? :-[
Nice - I dig the 3rd summit photo! Wonder if it is possible to ski Scott w/o mosquitoes and runnels? Seems like you'd have to time it early, but then probably be faced w/ a long road hike.
author=pipedream link=topic=21383.msg91496#msg91496 date=1309944569]
Was there any snow at the Trail Creek TH? I'm itching to loop from the Cathedral Rock TH over to the Waptus River while the weather is nice, but my backpacking friends are wusses when it comes to hiking in continuous snow.
That loop's a favorite. Just for info, the river crossings (Waptus 2x) are running about to the base of my crotch and swift. And a...
Great pictures John! Mae's a cute pooch, glad she came out of her spelunking adventure unscathed.
Thanks Ryan -- it was super fun. Lots of relaxing time and some great turns.
Pipedream, from looking at the map the junction with the Trail Creek trail is almost exactly where we started the continuous snow. We didn't see the junction as we passed through, but I'll bet you wouldn't be on continuous snow for more than a mile before it was to...
Thanks Ryan -- it was super fun. Lots of relaxing time and some great turns.
Pipedream, from looking at the map the junction with the Trail Creek trail is almost exactly where we started the continuous snow. We didn't see the junction as we passed through, but I'll bet you wouldn't be on continuous snow for more than a mile before it was to...
We started from Buck Creek, via Dollar Lake and across the Sourdough ridge. As you noted it was awesome snow coverage.
I'm happy that you boys are getting out in that direction! Early access is the key.
I'm happy that you boys are getting out in that direction! Early access is the key.
Dogs on Daniel- I love it!! Looks like a super fun trip Marcus.
author=Joedabaker link=topic=21390.msg91491#msg91491 date=1309933493]
Sorry Boys...
Unfortunately you guys missed the big hits off the backside of the Palisades.
Nice trip thanks for the enthusiastic TR, a couple years ago did it while Sunrise was still closed and it's much simpler when they open the road with snow! Hint...hint Park Service ;)
May of 2009, says the photo. That's some decent snow coverage....
author=glenn_b link=topic=21382.msg91495#msg91495 date=1309937233">
Watch the plants, ya'll or we all suffer.
Another prominent aspect of NPS culture is their seige mentality. Underfunded and often over-extended, they tend to see the visitor as the source of many, if not most of their problems. This can result in management taking the easy way out with closures & blanket prohibitions, for example:
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If Vogtski is correct about the temp/seasonal status, then I believe the "quaking" is indeed an emotional reaction to having to confront someone; that does invoke the "fight or flight" physiological syndrome, with release of adrenaline, etc.; similarly the "hand-slapping." While I am quite critical of park policies and actions in a number of areas, I have met (and even skied with) a number of the experienced LEOs and climbing rangers. All have treated me...
author=savegondor link=topic=21382.msg91454#msg91454 date=1309902329]
The drama from the very beginning was that the Rangers were on the prowl for a specific party THAT WASN'T US. From the beginning Ranger Rick I had assumed my party was that other party and began accusing me/us of not listening to the rangers warnings and instructions....which again did not apply to us. Best I can piece together is that the Rangers were looking for a party who had sto...
I could be wrong, but I'd guess Ranger Sue is probably a seasonal with a LE commission. The average odds of one of these types of seasonals eventually ending up with a permanent job is probably less than one in ten. Those odds can improve a bit if one shows they are really serious about law enforcement, traditionally the main path to career advancement in the Park Service. It has been changing a bit nationally in recent years, but historically, superintendents came from LE backgrounds an...
The route through the forest along Lodi creek was very easy and straight forward affording a little cool shade for a while. We looked for a shelter (one or two seen on different maps), but saw none. Wonder if they have been hit by avalanches in the past and never rebuilt?
Was there any snow at the Trail Creek TH? I'm itching to loop from the Cathedral Rock TH over to the Waptus River while the weather is nice, but my backpacking friends are wusses when it comes to hiking in continuous snow.
author=savegondor link=topic=21382.msg91494#msg91494 date=1309935607]
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I have to believe that MNRP policy is set by someone and that 'someone' usually isn't the ranger who's being jerk-faced
I'm Uberauagaed. Probably not a skier at all. Watch the plants, ya'll or we all suffer.
I'm afraid I just don't like these responses even though they are very similar to what I was already thinking. I have to believe that MNRP policy is set by someone and that 'someone' usually isn't the ranger who's being jerk-faced. I also suspect they are severely understaffed which may contribute to their poor attitude? Anyone know anything about whether this might be true?
Still, I have to also believe that Ranger Sue could have...
Still, I have to also believe that Ranger Sue could have...
I can imagine the canopy being a little thick at the bottom there and just going in one directions in the bearing of Frozen Lake/ Burroughs 2 or such to get out of there.
author=JasonGriffith link=topic=21382.msg91487#msg91487 date=1309929154]
I learned a long time ago that it never pays to offer info to the authorities, especially if you have any inkling you may have broken the law. It is unfortunate, but being open and honest with the man can often lead to some pretty harsh consequences. Consider it a cheap lesson.
Agreed and the Park Rangers up there just buddy up to you for ulterior motives....
author=~Link~ link=topic=21390.msg91488#msg91488 date=1309929374] Rare and awesome tour! Thinking there may be a first descent or two in this trip (???)
Although Alta Snob Lake sounds catchy, I resent that you are calling Joedabaker Lake another name. You gotta at least swim in it once before you can claim it! ;D
I'll give you the Raw Dog though. That has always been an enticing line, must have been an interesting down cli...
Summer pic of the Palisades got me interested in sniffing around for some lines
Even with our enormous snowpack this year, it's already too late. But if anyone wants to come up here in the winter, it offers Sierra like slots
anyo...
Even with our enormous snowpack this year, it's already too late. But if anyone wants to come up here in the winter, it offers Sierra like slots
anyo...
I learned a long time ago that it never pays to offer info to the authorities, especially if you have any inkling you may have broken the law. It is unfortunate, but being open and honest with the man can often lead to some pretty harsh consequences. Consider it a cheap lesson.
I detect slight exaggeration in my kick&glide performance as I was just keeping up with them for change. The original goal of reaching the Curtis Ridge was a little too ambitious, by about 3 hours. Nonetheless, it was a beautiful tour as usual. Glad they had some good skiing while the snow was a bit too bumpy for my soft fish-scale skis.
Crater Lake has great roadside cornfields, and it's fun to do the ski mountaineer's swagger/stagger in front of the tourons.
Nice work! Scott is fun, especially if you can hit it right, but the mosquitoes are hideous! We rode Garfield for the first time this year (west face) in powder and it was a blast! Crater Lake is a fun area!
Sounds like a great loop Rich.
FYI, I tried to fix your images but you're not using the image URL that ends in .JPG from your host. The other problem is that you're using the thumbnail feature, which still needs to be fixed. If you can find that .JPG address for the images, just post them with the IMG tag next to the thumbnail button. Sorry for the hassle!
FYI, I tried to fix your images but you're not using the image URL that ends in .JPG from your host. The other problem is that you're using the thumbnail feature, which still needs to be fixed. If you can find that .JPG address for the images, just post them with the IMG tag next to the thumbnail button. Sorry for the hassle!
Wow, looks really nice in there. We almost did the Jeff Park Glacier but elected to do Broken Top instead. It looks like you couldn't go wrong with either choice. The second picture is $. I like the idea of camping at Jeff Park, especially for three nights :)
Thanks Joe. My only regret was not getting "that picture from the bottom looking back up". By the time we stopped we were under some cliffs and trees and part way around to the east such that you couldn't see anything but our lower tracks. Wish I had hiked out a ways to get that shot. I mapped it out tonight on Natnl Geo Topo and was just over 8 miles RT, so not that way out there and we were back to the car in 8hrs.
Hey Marcus, nice to meet you and your crew! Definitely a great and very uncrowded weekend up there.
Here are a few more pictures:
Coverage at Cathedral Rock
Marcus's group skinning up
Here are a few more pictures:
Coverage at Cathedral Rock
Marcus's group skinning up
Hit Dege with a good crew on Saturday.
More bikers then skiers up there.
More bikers then skiers up there.
An enjoyable TR with some great photos. Once you post the dog images, they steal the show. ;) The image with the canine wind vanes provides a clear description of the wind velocity.
Very nice TR and photos. It's been awhile since I've seen a TR on the circumnavigation. I assume the coverage on Snowdome is excellent. Figuring out where to go does make a trip enjoyable and each season the routes change based on the weather and snow pack.
Awesome photos! I really want to ski Broken Top one of these days...
I thought it was mountain bike season.... oops, better clean the pollen off the skis and get after it.
sounds like fun, you broken 80 days yet?
sounds like fun, you broken 80 days yet?