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Those "glaciers" are "remnant--sp?" at best on Villard/ Thayer side of the mountain. Some years they are virtually gone (if not gone...). A good 'creep and glide' "shrund" often forms on the upper Villard (which is an awsome route, comparable to Early Morning couloir in quality..) One can avoid considerable rock fall potential on the ascent by climbing the central rib between Early Morning Couloir and Villard as all the rockfall off of th...
fickle weather, eh? bummer, but at least you returned to pdice safely.
those are dr. john lyrics, not james brown, bud. great song, though.
those are dr. john lyrics, not james brown, bud. great song, though.
Hi Bob,
I ran into you and Ross at the top of Piker's Peak. Glad to hear the chutes treated you well. And that sounds like a good route down to the car. Better than stumbling out in ski boots, in any case. Beautiful day in the mountains!
-Andrew
I ran into you and Ross at the top of Piker's Peak. Glad to hear the chutes treated you well. And that sounds like a good route down to the car. Better than stumbling out in ski boots, in any case. Beautiful day in the mountains!
-Andrew
Good to hear you're okay, Jason. Excellent write up, by the way.
author=Jim Oker link=topic=10439.msg42279#msg42279 date=1214334879]
... but none of us are going on the trip where we're told "you'll be shot sometime toward the end of this trip, but it will be awesome until then..."
Sounds a little like life, except we're already on the trip.
Nice to know that the lower bit slid. Thanks.
(Also nice to see that my tracks go right down the stuff that didn't slide.... )
(Also nice to see that my tracks go right down the stuff that didn't slide.... )
[/Were you able to skin from where you parked up to Cold Springs?]
We hiked in running shoes to Cold Springs. By this weekend the road may be open all the way or at least to Morrison Creek Camp Ground.
Given temps if your heading back to Morrison Creek I would definitely recommend taking the trail as opposed to the Creek "route" in the TR above.
Also worth noting for future trips are the wide slabs released near the bottom where the run rolls over and steepen...
Jason - glad you're OK, and thanks to you and the rest of the crew for sharing what you experienced, including your thoughts on your state of mind before the slide.
The "what's it worth?" discussion is sort of interesting perhaps on a semantic level - but I think I'm hearing everyone agreeing that none of us would actually say "I'll trade my life away in order to do that trip." But Sky is also right that we all have made a bargain wherein we acc...
The "what's it worth?" discussion is sort of interesting perhaps on a semantic level - but I think I'm hearing everyone agreeing that none of us would actually say "I'll trade my life away in order to do that trip." But Sky is also right that we all have made a bargain wherein we acc...
author=Stugie link=topic=10440.msg42221#msg42221 date=1214273243">
I'm not as familiar with ONP, and my memory is bad, but I take it one would be able to access Wagon Wheel trail easily then, or am I thinking of coming through in the completely wrong area? ????
You got it Stugie. Wagon Wheel trail is out of Staircase which is close by. There may be snow up at Wagonwheel Lake but the trail should be mostly bare by now. This...
Amar, what type of gasoline are you drinking? you're a machine!
;D
We were heading out the same day you hiked in. After two nights and two great days of skiing on the "Little Big mountain!"
Our first turns are in the upper right of your shot heading into the north headwall.....
Still lots of great skiing this summer on the north side!
We were heading out the same day you hiked in. After two nights and two great days of skiing on the "Little Big mountain!"
Our first turns are in the upper right of your shot heading into the north headwall.....
Still lots of great skiing this summer on the north side!
Jason, glad you are OK, sounds like a hell of a scary ride.
Nice report bobs. We are heading up there this weekend, along with many others I would guess.
Were you able to skin from where you parked up to Cold Springs? How long did it take to get to the trailhead?
Thanks for the info!
Were you able to skin from where you parked up to Cold Springs? How long did it take to get to the trailhead?
Thanks for the info!
That's Rad. Good job, Zap. If only your TR had footnotes.
I would also like to thank Lowell for posting my name next to the esteemed byline of Walter Bonatti; it's an honor.
Dipping....
The fact is, in the mountains, everyone risks it all. To say anything else is denial, unless you have a level of mastery that surpasses anything I can comprehend. The evidence is readily available. The element of the unknown in such a large, complex system will always be there; it's an integral part of the experience and the adventure. Yes, we all can and should work to reduce it, but it will not be vanquished.
Is it necessary to de...
The fact is, in the mountains, everyone risks it all. To say anything else is denial, unless you have a level of mastery that surpasses anything I can comprehend. The evidence is readily available. The element of the unknown in such a large, complex system will always be there; it's an integral part of the experience and the adventure. Yes, we all can and should work to reduce it, but it will not be vanquished.
Is it necessary to de...
author=JPH link=topic=10448.msg42257#msg42257 date=1214320371]
Even though the ski area is melted out at the base now, the backcountry is still connected.
I want a tee shirt made that says that!
TAY-
The ski area is melted out, but the backcounty is still connected.
Nice trip Zap,
I am very proud of your accomplishment, you may win a medal in the Senior Winter Games.
Is there a mathematical adjustm...
Even though the ski area is melted out at the base now, the backcountry is still connected. Skied the summit bowl on Chair Peak down to the car yesterday evening. Although the last little stretch before the parking lot will probably be melted by this weekend.
author=Woz link=topic=10439.msg42253#msg42253 date=1214319244]
(what do you call skiing the trees with a 8-foot snowpack and the snow surface barely visible with all the branches, lichen and duff??).
Good uphill traction.
author=alpentalcorey link=topic=10439.msg42251#msg42251 date=1214315138]
Basically, I'm 34 and it's time to think a little less about being "rad" and a...
author=alpentalcorey link=topic=10439.msg42251#msg42251 date=1214315138]
Lowell, this part struck me a bit as I read it and I wanted to respectfully ask if by use of the word "most" you are at all saying that there are things you love doing, however few, that you would be content to die doing? If stating something in terms of dying is a big step toward fatalism, is "most but not all" not at least a little step toward the other side of the...
I am staying clear of the philosophical direction this thread has taken. I am just confirming that these conditions appear to be widespread and not-yet-stabilized. Mike and I got back last night from a great 3-day tour in Van Trump Park (MRNP) and witnessed several slabs triggered by sun warming, minor rockfall, and cornice failure. Shooting cracks and 3-5 foot slabs were the norm, and convex "rollies" seemed to be the worst offenders. The larger slabs were abou...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=10439.msg42247#msg42247 date=1214288422]
I love doing lots of things and I wouldn't be content to die doing most of them.
Lowell, this part struck me a bit as I read it and I wanted to respectfully ask if by use of the word "most" you are at all saying that there are things you love doing, however few, that you would be content to die doing? If stating something in terms of dying is...
Ah, finally put 2 & 2 together.
Tell Jeff that Corey from Alpental says hi & Happy Birthday!
Did he toss any 50 footers on the trip? Just kidding of course and in fact the last time (or one of the last times) I saw Jeff he was talking about focusing on enjoying the more moderate aspects of skiing like good pow turns, nice days with friends etc...
Anyways nice TR. It seems like there has been an explosion of reports from the Olympics this year....
Tell Jeff that Corey from Alpental says hi & Happy Birthday!
Did he toss any 50 footers on the trip? Just kidding of course and in fact the last time (or one of the last times) I saw Jeff he was talking about focusing on enjoying the more moderate aspects of skiing like good pow turns, nice days with friends etc...
Anyways nice TR. It seems like there has been an explosion of reports from the Olympics this year....
author=Rusty Knees link=topic=10438.msg42246#msg42246 date=1214287829]
I've been eyeing the chutes for a couple of years, now.
They're rad. Go ski 'em.
Direct sunhit happens ~2:30-3:30. If the snow's not to your liking, just linger on Piker's Peak (but not too long). Rockfall increases later in the day.
Thank you for sharing, Jason. I think that particular weak layer has surprised many of us, particularly with its resistance to consolidation, thankfully without any apparent great harm. I'm very glad to hear that you're ok, and hope to extract a little wisdom from your tale.
As for the risk/reward discussion that's brewing, I'll just chip in that backcountry skiing/ski mountaineering has challenged me to think in new and deeper ways about death and life. The thoug...
As for the risk/reward discussion that's brewing, I'll just chip in that backcountry skiing/ski mountaineering has challenged me to think in new and deeper ways about death and life. The thoug...
author=ryanl link=topic=10439.msg42227#msg42227 date=1214279491]
To say if it 'aint worth dying for then you shouldn't be doing it isn't a call to look outwards for danger. As I understand it, and believe, it's a call to look inwards at what you're doing with your life. Feeling strongly enough about something that you're willing to die for it only means that were you to die at the instant you were doing whatever "it" hap...
Nice job on the TR and great pictures. I've been eyeing the chutes for a couple of years, now. That first picture makes me think I'd need to fill up a blue bag before dropping in on hard snow, though. ;D
I love the math, Man! If you anchored to a marmot, would it be a carne belay? It's great to challenge yourself, though, and thanks for the inspiration.
See you up there.
Rusty Knees
See you up there.
Rusty Knees
Huzzah! Truly you have raised the bar.
also, if you end up doing any more editing, change the part in bold that reads "Friday and Saturday" to "Saturday and Sunday"
Nice work getting out there DG! Southern Oregon has some great terrain. I know what you mean about the mosquitoes. Last year at Scott we were forced to build a smoky fire and cake on the deet at camp. I counted 76 bites from the two days on my arms and shoulders when I got home...
author=Snow Bell link=topic=10440.msg42189#msg42189 date=1214254992];D ;D ;D
Preface:
and made espresso and ate chocolate while we waited for the snow to soften some.
HAAAA HAAAAA, did you read the paper as well? Funny stuff man. Glad you got some and I know how much you love that area.
I wasn't going to say anything but feel the need to after having read all the posts.
First, i want to clarify something. I'm sure Jason would be the first to admit that he made some errors in getting caught in the slide. Unfortunately, though, it seems that his choice of words in describing his thoughts has painted his partner(s) in (perhaps) an unfavorable light. I don't think we were reckless in our descent. Sky and I both skied to the spot that slide and had a brief...
First, i want to clarify something. I'm sure Jason would be the first to admit that he made some errors in getting caught in the slide. Unfortunately, though, it seems that his choice of words in describing his thoughts has painted his partner(s) in (perhaps) an unfavorable light. I don't think we were reckless in our descent. Sky and I both skied to the spot that slide and had a brief...
Good job Joe,
That sounded like a lot of fun.
It is interesting that you, "Left the car in sneakers"
They must have been some big sneakers :D
That sounded like a lot of fun.
It is interesting that you, "Left the car in sneakers"
They must have been some big sneakers :D
author=Kyle Miller link=topic=10437.msg42211#msg42211 date=1214264749]
Ha ha that picture is great but I dont remember dragging my forehead on the slope ???.
On sunday I went up to Chinook pass and attempted to nail the prominent chute we had noticed from the ridge.
Sorry Joeda Mission Failed
It is an interesting photo, I don't remember seeing skid marks on your face.
Good attempt, that slop...
Nice work! Good report on conditions, thanks for the road warning. I'm not as familiar with ONP, and my memory is bad, but I take it one would be able to access Wagon Wheel trail easily then, or am I thinking of coming through in the completely wrong area? ????
very nice old man! Good that you managed to get him out on his b-day of all days... I wonder if promises of a cuddle sealed the deal?
Sounds like an awesome day, and glad Ellinor is still in good shape. I would not mind hitting her up one of these days.
Chris
Sounds like an awesome day, and glad Ellinor is still in good shape. I would not mind hitting her up one of these days.
Chris
In the days of "Yore " we used to say Bitchin!
Now more correctly Awsome !
Thanks .
Now more correctly Awsome !
Thanks .
Thanks, Jason and Sky, for clarifying the quote somewhat.
I don't have any problem with what you said Jason. Or, at least, I'm not angered or offended by it. On the other hand, I feel that juxtaposing those two quotes was fair based on the context in which you used the second quote. I knew my reply was going to be controversial, but I felt it was necessary to get some discussion and clarification.
As I'm sure you know, I am squarely in the Bonatti camp on thi...
I don't have any problem with what you said Jason. Or, at least, I'm not angered or offended by it. On the other hand, I feel that juxtaposing those two quotes was fair based on the context in which you used the second quote. I knew my reply was going to be controversial, but I felt it was necessary to get some discussion and clarification.
As I'm sure you know, I am squarely in the Bonatti camp on thi...
Ha ha that picture is great but I dont remember dragging my forehead on the slope ???. I really like digging into those berms you were right when you said it looked like I was falling and as to the whole skiing thing I consider myself a skier as I'm skinning 90% of the time.
On sunday I went up to Chinook pass and attempted to nail the prominent chute we had noticed from the ridge. After rock climbing some nasty headwalls I gave up on the west face then attempted to access it fro...
On sunday I went up to Chinook pass and attempted to nail the prominent chute we had noticed from the ridge. After rock climbing some nasty headwalls I gave up on the west face then attempted to access it fro...
Thanks everyone and nice words Stugie, and sorry lowell if I came off a little strong. Would've softened that had I read it through before posting. Half the posts I ever write are erased and half the ones I make I shouldn't have been made. Ha. What do you do? We're all friends here on TAY and many of us know eachother. We can afford to have better discussions that way. That's why I posted this story here. I wouldn't be inclined to anywhere else.
author=Pete A link=topic=10424.msg42208#msg42208 date=1214262962]
I've got some viddy of Sam on the slope above the hogsback....he certainly looked like an east coast skier making fast comfortable gs turns from the top a good hour or more before the snow had softened!
Fast comfy GS turns? Yup, that sounds like Sam.
i think that you guys were the two that Becky and I pulled up next to in the Timberline parking lot Friday morning....I've got some viddy of Sam on the slope above the hogsback....he certainly looked like an east coast skier making fast comfortable gs turns from the top a good hour or more before the snow had softened! Becky and I took our time topping out and the snow was nice corn just below the old chute by around 1pm.
author=Jason_H. link=topic=10439.msg42195#msg42195 date=1214258796]
I think you were unfair in showing two viewpoints in that you assume you know Sky's.
An unfair assessment given you presented the context and stated the original quote.
I took it the same way - however, quotes aside, your harrowing experience is I think, a reminder to all of how we reason after an event as such. In light of this past weekend, it...
See Jason - Like I told you last weekend when were talking about this stuff, it's just not your time! SOMEONE somewhere is waiting for you to do something special. 8)
So, did you and others get to ski anything?
Glad you're o.k.
So, did you and others get to ski anything?
Glad you're o.k.
Trust me, I thought about that on the way down Sky. I wasn't very smart. Not at all. I just came busting down the slope like indiana jones. I can't believe I did it looking back. But a million rights doesn't make one wrong any less costly.