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Do you think that you missed the best skiing by not retracing your ascent?
Alan
Alan
I don't know you Jason or Sky and let me say I have the most tremendous respect for what you guys do and the trip reports you write. I have expressed concerns to some people in the past to people who know you like" I hope they don't push it too far" and their reply has always been that you guys are some of the best , safest mountaineers they have ever seen.
But, the problem I have with some of the quotes is the attitude that if it isn't extreme enough that y...
But, the problem I have with some of the quotes is the attitude that if it isn't extreme enough that y...
Erik,
It sounds like you guys ascended the way my son and I did last weekend. There also was another post which may have gone the same way which might have provided the boot path through the band, as we had done.
You were smart to descend that way as well, you got more vertical fun than my son and I did, but staying too close to the granite slabs below Liberty Bell. Nothing but tight steep trees and a stream gully there. Your first photo reveals this slope as ideal for...
It sounds like you guys ascended the way my son and I did last weekend. There also was another post which may have gone the same way which might have provided the boot path through the band, as we had done.
You were smart to descend that way as well, you got more vertical fun than my son and I did, but staying too close to the granite slabs below Liberty Bell. Nothing but tight steep trees and a stream gully there. Your first photo reveals this slope as ideal for...
A more complete photo story can be found here: http://www.telemarktips.com/photopost/showgallery.php?ppuser=20&cat=500
Great to see you up there too Andrew. Suprisingly we saw only two other groups of skiers all day: two early skining up and one comming down the chutes as we left the basin.
Hope you got some good turns in.
bobS
author=skierguitarist link=topic=10454.msg42304#msg42304 date=1214344690]
COOL!!!!!!!!! The video was good for my convalescening (sp?Help).
dictionary? :-)
My story was just that. It was writen without constraint. Warning is inherent to the story and the fear it is coupled with, and yes, thrill, too. We each find our own meanings in the written word, that is why poetry exists, etc.
'The word experience is like a shrapnel shell, and bursts into a thousand meanings.'
George Santayana
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer o...
'The word experience is like a shrapnel shell, and bursts into a thousand meanings.'
George Santayana
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer o...
author=Teleskichica link=topic=10439.msg42305#msg42305 date=1214345730]
I get the feeling that there is more of an air of jubilation of having missed death (which I am certain Jason is feeling!) as opposed to a sobering assessment of what happened and a real warning. ...
...These things aside, I think the more important posts have been overlooked:
Sky: "And Jason, you already know that I have a lot of love for you and...
Teleskichica, you have great wisdom! Very, very well written.
It's called stoked to be on a "permanently retired kick" gasoline! ;D
These may not be the right words, but in reading this, I am compelled to post my three cents.
I get the feeling that there is more of an air of jubilation of having missed death (which I am certain Jason is feeling!) as opposed to a sobering assessment of what happened and a real warning. In the end of the initial post, it is also said that we can "hide under our beds" or choose extreme unexplored vistas. (my gross paraphrase of the actual statement) That is too...
I get the feeling that there is more of an air of jubilation of having missed death (which I am certain Jason is feeling!) as opposed to a sobering assessment of what happened and a real warning. In the end of the initial post, it is also said that we can "hide under our beds" or choose extreme unexplored vistas. (my gross paraphrase of the actual statement) That is too...
COOL!!!!!!!!! The video was good for my convalescening (sp?Help).
Did it again this a.m., left 4 xing 8:30 a.m. Snow nice & solid all the way up. this time I could see the fracture line extended all around the corner practically to Anvil Rock. Skied down is nice soft-ice topped corn; ice kept the dirt from dragging on the skis. Red algae just coming out. Mazama west face was still icy when we skied down it about 10:30.
Those "glaciers" are "remnant--sp?" at best on Villard/ Thayer side of the mountain. Some years they are virtually gone (if not gone...). A good 'creep and glide' "shrund" often forms on the upper Villard (which is an awsome route, comparable to Early Morning couloir in quality..) One can avoid considerable rock fall potential on the ascent by climbing the central rib between Early Morning Couloir and Villard as all the rockfall off of th...
fickle weather, eh? bummer, but at least you returned to pdice safely.
those are dr. john lyrics, not james brown, bud. great song, though.
those are dr. john lyrics, not james brown, bud. great song, though.
Hi Bob,
I ran into you and Ross at the top of Piker's Peak. Glad to hear the chutes treated you well. And that sounds like a good route down to the car. Better than stumbling out in ski boots, in any case. Beautiful day in the mountains!
-Andrew
I ran into you and Ross at the top of Piker's Peak. Glad to hear the chutes treated you well. And that sounds like a good route down to the car. Better than stumbling out in ski boots, in any case. Beautiful day in the mountains!
-Andrew
Good to hear you're okay, Jason. Excellent write up, by the way.
author=Jim Oker link=topic=10439.msg42279#msg42279 date=1214334879]
... but none of us are going on the trip where we're told "you'll be shot sometime toward the end of this trip, but it will be awesome until then..."
Sounds a little like life, except we're already on the trip.
Nice to know that the lower bit slid. Thanks.
(Also nice to see that my tracks go right down the stuff that didn't slide.... )
(Also nice to see that my tracks go right down the stuff that didn't slide.... )
[/Were you able to skin from where you parked up to Cold Springs?]
We hiked in running shoes to Cold Springs. By this weekend the road may be open all the way or at least to Morrison Creek Camp Ground.
Given temps if your heading back to Morrison Creek I would definitely recommend taking the trail as opposed to the Creek "route" in the TR above.
Also worth noting for future trips are the wide slabs released near the bottom where the run rolls over and steepen...
Jason - glad you're OK, and thanks to you and the rest of the crew for sharing what you experienced, including your thoughts on your state of mind before the slide.
The "what's it worth?" discussion is sort of interesting perhaps on a semantic level - but I think I'm hearing everyone agreeing that none of us would actually say "I'll trade my life away in order to do that trip." But Sky is also right that we all have made a bargain wherein we acc...
The "what's it worth?" discussion is sort of interesting perhaps on a semantic level - but I think I'm hearing everyone agreeing that none of us would actually say "I'll trade my life away in order to do that trip." But Sky is also right that we all have made a bargain wherein we acc...
author=Stugie link=topic=10440.msg42221#msg42221 date=1214273243">
I'm not as familiar with ONP, and my memory is bad, but I take it one would be able to access Wagon Wheel trail easily then, or am I thinking of coming through in the completely wrong area? ????
You got it Stugie. Wagon Wheel trail is out of Staircase which is close by. There may be snow up at Wagonwheel Lake but the trail should be mostly bare by now. This...
Amar, what type of gasoline are you drinking? you're a machine!
;D
We were heading out the same day you hiked in. After two nights and two great days of skiing on the "Little Big mountain!"
Our first turns are in the upper right of your shot heading into the north headwall.....
Still lots of great skiing this summer on the north side!
We were heading out the same day you hiked in. After two nights and two great days of skiing on the "Little Big mountain!"
Our first turns are in the upper right of your shot heading into the north headwall.....
Still lots of great skiing this summer on the north side!
Jason, glad you are OK, sounds like a hell of a scary ride.
Nice report bobs. We are heading up there this weekend, along with many others I would guess.
Were you able to skin from where you parked up to Cold Springs? How long did it take to get to the trailhead?
Thanks for the info!
Were you able to skin from where you parked up to Cold Springs? How long did it take to get to the trailhead?
Thanks for the info!
That's Rad. Good job, Zap. If only your TR had footnotes.
I would also like to thank Lowell for posting my name next to the esteemed byline of Walter Bonatti; it's an honor.
Dipping....
The fact is, in the mountains, everyone risks it all. To say anything else is denial, unless you have a level of mastery that surpasses anything I can comprehend. The evidence is readily available. The element of the unknown in such a large, complex system will always be there; it's an integral part of the experience and the adventure. Yes, we all can and should work to reduce it, but it will not be vanquished.
Is it necessary to de...
The fact is, in the mountains, everyone risks it all. To say anything else is denial, unless you have a level of mastery that surpasses anything I can comprehend. The evidence is readily available. The element of the unknown in such a large, complex system will always be there; it's an integral part of the experience and the adventure. Yes, we all can and should work to reduce it, but it will not be vanquished.
Is it necessary to de...
author=JPH link=topic=10448.msg42257#msg42257 date=1214320371]
Even though the ski area is melted out at the base now, the backcountry is still connected.
I want a tee shirt made that says that!
TAY-
The ski area is melted out, but the backcounty is still connected.
Nice trip Zap,
I am very proud of your accomplishment, you may win a medal in the Senior Winter Games.
Is there a mathematical adjustm...
Even though the ski area is melted out at the base now, the backcountry is still connected. Skied the summit bowl on Chair Peak down to the car yesterday evening. Although the last little stretch before the parking lot will probably be melted by this weekend.
author=Woz link=topic=10439.msg42253#msg42253 date=1214319244]
(what do you call skiing the trees with a 8-foot snowpack and the snow surface barely visible with all the branches, lichen and duff??).
Good uphill traction.
author=alpentalcorey link=topic=10439.msg42251#msg42251 date=1214315138]
Basically, I'm 34 and it's time to think a little less about being "rad" and a...
author=alpentalcorey link=topic=10439.msg42251#msg42251 date=1214315138]
Lowell, this part struck me a bit as I read it and I wanted to respectfully ask if by use of the word "most" you are at all saying that there are things you love doing, however few, that you would be content to die doing? If stating something in terms of dying is a big step toward fatalism, is "most but not all" not at least a little step toward the other side of the...
I am staying clear of the philosophical direction this thread has taken. I am just confirming that these conditions appear to be widespread and not-yet-stabilized. Mike and I got back last night from a great 3-day tour in Van Trump Park (MRNP) and witnessed several slabs triggered by sun warming, minor rockfall, and cornice failure. Shooting cracks and 3-5 foot slabs were the norm, and convex "rollies" seemed to be the worst offenders. The larger slabs were abou...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=10439.msg42247#msg42247 date=1214288422]
I love doing lots of things and I wouldn't be content to die doing most of them.
Lowell, this part struck me a bit as I read it and I wanted to respectfully ask if by use of the word "most" you are at all saying that there are things you love doing, however few, that you would be content to die doing? If stating something in terms of dying is...
Ah, finally put 2 & 2 together.
Tell Jeff that Corey from Alpental says hi & Happy Birthday!
Did he toss any 50 footers on the trip? Just kidding of course and in fact the last time (or one of the last times) I saw Jeff he was talking about focusing on enjoying the more moderate aspects of skiing like good pow turns, nice days with friends etc...
Anyways nice TR. It seems like there has been an explosion of reports from the Olympics this year....
Tell Jeff that Corey from Alpental says hi & Happy Birthday!
Did he toss any 50 footers on the trip? Just kidding of course and in fact the last time (or one of the last times) I saw Jeff he was talking about focusing on enjoying the more moderate aspects of skiing like good pow turns, nice days with friends etc...
Anyways nice TR. It seems like there has been an explosion of reports from the Olympics this year....
author=Rusty Knees link=topic=10438.msg42246#msg42246 date=1214287829]
I've been eyeing the chutes for a couple of years, now.
They're rad. Go ski 'em.
Direct sunhit happens ~2:30-3:30. If the snow's not to your liking, just linger on Piker's Peak (but not too long). Rockfall increases later in the day.
Thank you for sharing, Jason. I think that particular weak layer has surprised many of us, particularly with its resistance to consolidation, thankfully without any apparent great harm. I'm very glad to hear that you're ok, and hope to extract a little wisdom from your tale.
As for the risk/reward discussion that's brewing, I'll just chip in that backcountry skiing/ski mountaineering has challenged me to think in new and deeper ways about death and life. The thoug...
As for the risk/reward discussion that's brewing, I'll just chip in that backcountry skiing/ski mountaineering has challenged me to think in new and deeper ways about death and life. The thoug...
author=ryanl link=topic=10439.msg42227#msg42227 date=1214279491]
To say if it 'aint worth dying for then you shouldn't be doing it isn't a call to look outwards for danger. As I understand it, and believe, it's a call to look inwards at what you're doing with your life. Feeling strongly enough about something that you're willing to die for it only means that were you to die at the instant you were doing whatever "it" hap...
Nice job on the TR and great pictures. I've been eyeing the chutes for a couple of years, now. That first picture makes me think I'd need to fill up a blue bag before dropping in on hard snow, though. ;D
I love the math, Man! If you anchored to a marmot, would it be a carne belay? It's great to challenge yourself, though, and thanks for the inspiration.
See you up there.
Rusty Knees
See you up there.
Rusty Knees
Huzzah! Truly you have raised the bar.
also, if you end up doing any more editing, change the part in bold that reads "Friday and Saturday" to "Saturday and Sunday"
Nice work getting out there DG! Southern Oregon has some great terrain. I know what you mean about the mosquitoes. Last year at Scott we were forced to build a smoky fire and cake on the deet at camp. I counted 76 bites from the two days on my arms and shoulders when I got home...
author=Snow Bell link=topic=10440.msg42189#msg42189 date=1214254992];D ;D ;D
Preface:
and made espresso and ate chocolate while we waited for the snow to soften some.
HAAAA HAAAAA, did you read the paper as well? Funny stuff man. Glad you got some and I know how much you love that area.
I wasn't going to say anything but feel the need to after having read all the posts.
First, i want to clarify something. I'm sure Jason would be the first to admit that he made some errors in getting caught in the slide. Unfortunately, though, it seems that his choice of words in describing his thoughts has painted his partner(s) in (perhaps) an unfavorable light. I don't think we were reckless in our descent. Sky and I both skied to the spot that slide and had a brief...
First, i want to clarify something. I'm sure Jason would be the first to admit that he made some errors in getting caught in the slide. Unfortunately, though, it seems that his choice of words in describing his thoughts has painted his partner(s) in (perhaps) an unfavorable light. I don't think we were reckless in our descent. Sky and I both skied to the spot that slide and had a brief...
Good job Joe,
That sounded like a lot of fun.
It is interesting that you, "Left the car in sneakers"
They must have been some big sneakers :D
That sounded like a lot of fun.
It is interesting that you, "Left the car in sneakers"
They must have been some big sneakers :D
author=Kyle Miller link=topic=10437.msg42211#msg42211 date=1214264749]
Ha ha that picture is great but I dont remember dragging my forehead on the slope ???.
On sunday I went up to Chinook pass and attempted to nail the prominent chute we had noticed from the ridge.
Sorry Joeda Mission Failed
It is an interesting photo, I don't remember seeing skid marks on your face.
Good attempt, that slop...