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Welcome to TAY, Forest.
Fantastic trip report; impressive web site.
Thanks for sharing it.
author=Robie link=topic=18244.msg77319#msg77319 date=1291344842]
The deer attack took place between Ashford and Elbe . Just west of metal sculpture guy.


didn't know him. RIP
Very nice. As jimmyjan said Stone Man has been on my list for many years as well.
Facebook video: http://www.facebook.com/v/10150096142505987

720p Video: http://www.theoakleyfamily.net/Hyak-2010-12-01/720p.html
author=Splitboard Graham link=topic=18210.msg77230#msg77230 date=1291272814]
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peace, love, unity, respect, and apologies for the f'ing essay. and for not using any emoticons. my bad. lastly, i'd like to thank Lagunita's Brown Shugga for making this possible.
[full disclosure: alpymarr is a personal friend and powcomplice]


we be stylin now 'mon.. 8)
Looks like a great run... nice video as well!
Nice job on skiing Stone Man and on your website. I've stared at Stone Man for many years on the drive into the upper parking lot but never managed to ski it.  To ski Stone Man is more committing than it looks from the the road.
author=Forest McBrian link=topic=18262.msg77353#msg77353 date=1291401303]
http://forestmcbrian.com/


Awesome!
(Except that I'm trying to get some work done and now I'm distracted by a whole stack of new TRs that need to be read.)  :'(
Thanks for sharing - Cool web site
The irony of complaining about overcrowding at a particular spot while writing a trip report about this spot is almost too much to bear. Stop going to paradise if you dont like seeing people. Dont complain about people if you are forced to go to paradise because you always ski alone. It only makes you look like an asshole if you are the guy up at paradise giving everyone else shit for not knowing the "rules".

As for following skin tracks, how can you complain about powder n...
It depends somewhat on which area and how busy they are.

Some of the land is privately owned and some is forest service.

My experience at Hyak / Summit East is not being hassled when the lifts aren't running.  On Wednesday while we skinning up the front side directly from the parking lot,  one of the guys working on the new chairlift stopped on his sled while heading up to work on the top station and in a very friendly manner asked us to avoid skiing directl...
author=hyakSS link=topic=18250.msg77320#msg77320 date=1291345214]
do you just hike from the pkg lot?


There's an old thread somewhere with details about when it is and is not ok to skin up Summit areas. Definitely stay out of the way of lift-ops/grooming crews, any downhill traffic. etc. Avoiding injury and not skinning up when they're spinning lifts will go a long way toward maintaining a friendly relationship with the s...
author=Snow Bell link=topic=18219.msg77229#msg77229 date=1291271927]
Thanks for putting that info about the surface hoar forward.  I was down the ridge and it seemed to be everywhere.  Well developed crystals on all aspects...might be something to keep an eye out for as the pack builds. 

Wish I would have caught up with you and Jan and Jeff but it was not meant to be this trip.  Had some good turns though.  :)

Gary
do you just hike from the pkg lot?
The deer attack took place between Ashford and Elbe . Just west of metal sculpture guy.
Oh that was the right Joe alright.
Just got back from there as well. We saw you skiing down as we were climbing up. The backside had better overall snow, when you average the nice-ish top 100' feet with the terrible bottom 500' of trap-crust on the frontside.

Took two laps down the back and one down the front. The snow was pretty bad, but we had fun.

This Thread is NOT dead because this is a discussion about getting NOT DEAD.

I found one of the most helpful things about this post to be cookiemonster and his cool 3D map.  the weather forecast for that would also have sent me to the old growth of Commonwealth or Stevens....places where I know I can find 20 degree trees without avi paths or terrain traps.  I think a major lack in this discussion was the terrain.... regardless of the avi forecast.  Combine the weather...
Mmmm, I love the blackberry pie from Copper Creek Inn!  The lemon pepper chicken is quite the meal, as well.
author=Plinko link=topic=18242.msg77223#msg77223 date=1291268156]
Saw evidence of slide activity likely from yesterday, crown face on Kendall Knob, and a few other ordinarily benign places.


I dug around a bit at the top of Hyak waiting for the sun to come up yesterday morning.  There was a pretty easy sliding layer about 40 cm down that could've been an issue if Hyak was steeper.  Maybe hoar frost from late last we...
author=Robie link=topic=18244.msg77214#msg77214 date=1291263598]
What about the deer that took away my "cool and mellow" and gave me  $2500 worth of damage ! HE lives near you or he used to.Did you see him?


Whoa!  Sorry to hear that Robie.  The deer (and there are lots!) around here are pretty tame from being fed (sometimes by hand) in my neighborhood and from people feeding them from cars.  I'm sure...
thanks to everyone who has contributed to the furtherance of backcountry philosophy and etiquette, in this thread and elsewhere, especially to those who have made themselves vulnerable. this is for no one in particular and everyone in general.

do we earn turns to escape from humanity, or to be more in touch with what it really means to be human? [roll your eyes here] wherever we ski, board, shoe, hike, we should be treating each other and the environment with respect. that is not too...
Thanks for putting that info about the surface hoar forward.  I was down the ridge and it seemed to be everywhere.  Well developed crystals on all aspects...might be something to keep an eye out for as the pack builds. 

Wish I would have caught up with you and Jan and Jeff but it was not meant to be this trip.  Had some good turns though.   ;)
author=mick_scott link=topic=18245.msg77227#msg77227 date=1291270805]
Joe on the road to Reflection


That's the wrong Joe!

Should have been me!
Way to slay it R, G and E! Much better up track than the post hole parade we saw on Sunday.  I was in the orange jacket talkin Drifter tech with you.  Paul (weaver on TAY) and I did a few more laps and things seemed to soften as the temp warmed, but not the mash.  Hopefully this will stick to the rocks and give us a nice solid base.  Saw evidence of slide activity likely from yesterday, crown face on Kendall Knob, and a few other ordinarily benign places.
Didn't see another person once I left the lot 

What about the deer that took away my "cool and mellow" and gave me  $2500 worth of damage ! HE lives near you or he used to.Did you see him?
Alone--that's the proper etiquette!
Nice video.
That's a pretty nice run for 2.5 hrs of work.
Only hit 1 rock. Coverage was OK, there is enough.
The issue is the Alder, of which there is a lot mid-slope.
Recent dump should improve things
author=JoshK link=topic=18210.msg77004#msg77004 date=1291102526]
Waitaminute...crowded, overtracked and obnoxiously touristy up at Paradise!? Nahh, ya don't say! *rolleyes* What do you expect? The Paradise environs hardly even count as backcountry; after all, a road gets plowed up over 5,000 feet. If the book "Ski Touring for Dummies" was written, the first chapter would include a map to Paradise. It's the third stop for a great number of B...
Nice to meet you Robie! Good points. These gentlemen were kind enough to actually interact with me..we need more of this in crowded areas. Just simply communicating makes things so much easier, and you may even make friends. Its just the whole barrage of huge groups who wont give you the time of day that swoop in from above with their ten guys, make huge GS turns, spot your track and then use it to kill the place in 5 minutes. No hello, nothing. Thats what happened and thats why I brought it up....
No, that was just metaphorically speaking about his earlier work.

Yes, my 10th mtn would have worked fine except a few pitches, but I was testing my NTN gear, which seemed overkill at times, but toured/skied well.
author=Robie link=topic=18210.msg77129#msg77129 date=1291185546]
Ive been following this thread not needing to say anything in a hurry.
Just kinda savoring the fact that I was one of Alpymarr's "Cool and Mellow guys"
We had thanked him for resetting and adding to a track that had been on going since last weekend. I'll say this we were frankly impressed with his skill/atheleticism and stayed short of his prine runs a little south...
I think I passed you guys on my way down double d. Had a pup following me.

Highlight of her day was meeting one of the avi dogs.. she was goin on about it all day. She aslo fell under teh loading ramp and did a sweet chimney move to climb out.

The spill was actually a jack knifed tandem trailer. which also caused at least one other to vacate the road way. Scary cuz it was in teh eagle falls area of thin road way. I was only ten cars back from the accident. Sat in park for a...
Did you do this tour on XCD gear?  I'm curious how often you needed to use skins, if ever.
Ive been following this thread not needing to say anything in a hurry.
Just kinda savoring the fact that I was one of Alpymarr's "Cool and Mellow guys"
We had thanked him for resetting and adding to a track that had been on going since last weekend. I'll say this we were frankly impressed with his skill/atheleticism and stayed short of his prine runs a little south of us.
Now to set some straight the area under discussion was not the MAzama Back bowl It was we...
author=kneel turner link=topic=14595.msg61159#msg61159 date=1259171130]
On a lighter note, there's some sweet A/T boots on Tramdock right now!


Now it's my turn to say WTF?  AT boots!  Ed?  don't go there, buddy.
author=Scotsman link=topic=14688.msg61481#msg61481 date=1259776729]
Rusty Knees are you taking note for when you go visit the daughter?


My wife just found $189 round trip to Denver.  Whoohoo!
author=sb link=topic=18211.msg76905#msg76905 date=1291066978]
Thanks for breaking trail.  It helped.


Thank you for blazing xcd trail.  I've been following it ever since... ;)
I have to note while reading I found myself thinking: "This sounds like a CC.com thread..."  ;D

That being said, good points made by all.
Don't go to the mall on Black Friday and then complain that someone was buying "your" stuff.

Darn, Josh beat me to the sarcasm.

If you want close to the car, there wil be booters, copycats, poachers, etc...  I agree with Lowell, accept reality and find somewhere that will satisfy your needs.  I was at Hyak Friday and ran into a large group (maybe TAY'ers?)  Some were better skiiers than others but all were pleasant and we all enjoyed shari...
WHAT!?  Two people had to share one of Washington's largest lift served ski areas with their dog? And the rotten pooch seemed to not give a kong about spooning his tracks!

Looks like a rotten way to spend the day.

Nice work
How was the coverage in general?  Were you hitting rocks/bushes much?
Beautiful Photos! Looks like a fun trip & some great skiing.
author=acarey link=topic=18210.msg77074#msg77074 date=1291159302]
And the current tendency is to


you forgot the expand National Park and wilderness areas, restrict motorized access......
author=Alexander link=topic=18210.msg77068#msg77068 date=1291156941]
The number of BC skiers will continue to grow and the only solution is access to new terrain. Otherwise it will be crowded along the few ploughed roads.


And the current tendency is to not plow roads, even close roads altogether, eliminate snow parks, etc. as the economy remains sluggish, costs rise, and revenues fall.  It will be very interesting to see wha...
author=kath link=topic=18210.msg76910#msg76910 date=1291070458]
we recently took up bc skiing for the solitude but are sadly discovering that you really have to search for it these days


The number of BC skiers will continue to grow and the only solution is access to new terrain. Otherwise it will be crowded along the few ploughed roads.
Oh, probably about 2.5 hours with a 15 minute stop-over in the Tilly Jane hut on the way up.

Hope that helps...
author=ron j link=topic=18210.msg77020#msg77020 date=1291135146]
Guilty as charged.
I found it ironic and quite enjoyable to have "out-fumbled" a group of 4 or 5 snowboarders (one of them post holing) only to discover their uptrack heading to the very ridge that the MadDog and I had our sights on, in snow requiring knee deep trailbreaking. So as long as their up track was heading in the general direction we were going, we found it quite handy, a...