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  • Micah
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15 years 8 months ago #192718 by Micah

Courtesy goes a long way and it would be nice to see more people getting back to being courtious.

I think education and remarking of the boundary for wilderness and non-motorized areas would help.


I heartily agree. I would also like to say that my personal interactions with snowmobilers have been overwhelmingly friendly and courteous. I think this discussion has also been pretty good.....

But nobody can deny it's a very emotional subject, dear to all participants' hearts.

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15 years 8 months ago - 15 years 8 months ago #192719 by mountainhorse
Replied by mountainhorse on topic Re: Non-motorized Advocacy: Wenatchee Mtns Coalition

But nobody can deny it's a very emotional subject, dear to all participants' hearts.


VERY TRUE...

Thank you for that.

Heck... look at how emotional the opening of Taos and the eventual opening of Alta to snowboarders was... and that was IN BOUNDS.... Skiers vs. Snowboarders... The same level of exclusionary attitudes... but they are worked out in the end... a good thing!!

Let Calmer heads prevail here!

I have run across skiers and snowmobilers being courteous to each other in the back country...as well as the opposite.

I just hope that BOTH of my favorite sports (snowboarding/skiing and snowmobiling). survive this type of discussion.

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15 years 8 months ago #192720 by JimH
Is anyone interested in talking about how to improve access to wilderness areas during the winter for non-motorized users? Seems like that could reduce some of the conflict since most of the friction boils down to folks competing for the same land, near a finite set of access points.

Maybe it will be expensive (financially and administratively) to get skiers into the wilderness for day trips. But the alternative probably is carving up land that's fairly close to plowed highways until both user groups are equally dis-satisfied. Of course, both groups will think they've gotten or are still getting the shaft with that outcome. But if the administrators and pols hear an equal level of complaining from both sides, then they'll know they're safe.

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15 years 8 months ago - 15 years 8 months ago #192721 by mountainhorse
Replied by mountainhorse on topic Re: Non-motorized Advocacy: Wenatchee Mtns Coalition
That, My friend, is an excellent Idea!!

Mass transit shuttles or organized Van-pooling to "drop off points" for Non-Motorized users of Wilderness areas that they ARE able to ride. Leaving the shared areas open to all who currently enjoy them.

With as much effort and money as is being put into pushing this exclusionary legislation through... the same money and effort would get more skiers into areas not open to any motorized users at all... and and address the aforementioned concerns with access-parity.

That is the purpose here... isn't it... to get the skiers into areas unencumbered by motorized users... or am I off base in this observation?

What organized efforts have been made to try to promote this concept? That is: Utilizing more of the areas already available for non motorized/mechanized users by having drop off area "shuttles"... Saves on gas money as well.

Is anyone interested in talking about how to improve access to wilderness areas during the winter for non-motorized users? Seems like that could reduce some of the conflict since most of the friction boils down to folks competing for the same land, near a finite set of access points.

Maybe it will be expensive (financially and administratively) to get skiers into the wilderness for day trips. But the alternative probably is carving up land that's fairly close to plowed highways until both user groups are equally dis-satisfied. Of course, both groups will think they've gotten or are still getting the shaft with that outcome. But if the administrators and pols hear an equal level of complaining from both sides, then they'll know they're safe.

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15 years 8 months ago #192722 by yammadog

Is anyone interested in talking about how to improve access to wilderness areas during the winter for non-motorized users? Seems like that could reduce some of the conflict since most of the friction boils down to folks competing for the same land, near a finite set of access points.

Maybe it will be expensive (financially and administratively) to get skiers into the wilderness for day trips. But the alternative probably is carving up land that's fairly close to plowed highways until both user groups are equally dis-satisfied. Of course, both groups will think they've gotten or are still getting the shaft with that outcome. But if the administrators and pols hear an equal level of complaining from both sides, then they'll know they're safe.


yeah, we had that as a suggestion earlier, ultimately it's a win/win. What areas would be most popular for this type of system? Then have to look at frequency, method etc after that....I'm also interested in knowing what route WMC was talking about that put him at the boundary within 1/2hour. Was it from a sled access or a road access?

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15 years 8 months ago #192723 by ruffryder

yeah, we had that as a suggestion earlier, ultimately it's a win/win. What areas would be most popular for this type of system? Then have to look at frequency method etc after that.

If I remember it was squashed by the others on here as not being feasible.. I think if everyone of the 151k backcountry users paid in 10 bucks for the next 10 years that it would be a very easy possibility.

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