WMC Update 2012

Compromise? I'll throw some ideas out there:
(1) Stop sled use in the North Fork of the Teanaway when the road melts out to Stafford Creek. That is when skiers use the area, and that is when sledders are done. Make it official. I can live with that.

(2) Addition to voluntary non-motorized area: The Beverly non-motorized area is a waste. It isn't used by skiers. Bean, on the other hand, has some really nice skiable terrain. It is very difficult to access from the bottom on sleds, and you can only come in the top by riding through Wilderness. Likewise, Stafford is hard to access from the bottom by sled. You can get in the top over Navaho, but it is also the prime access point for the Wenatchee gang to get into Wilderness. Add Bean Creek basin and Stafford Creek basin to the voluntary non-motorized areas. These are prime ski basins used by a minority of sledders.

(3) Improve skier access: What are the real options here? Realistically, you're not going to improve access much from the North Fork; too much snow and road that can't be maintained. What about from the Blewett side? How much closer to the crest could a road be plowed? We'd still be talking about pretty serious dollars to keep a road like that maintained; but banning sleds doesn't help skier access!

See, that's not so hard. This seems pretty reasonable too me. I don't use a sled to access ski terrain so for me it's really about access. Bean and Stafford Creeks are the best shot I would have in the winter, and that is quite a haul. Too bad the road couldn't be plowed at least to Stafford Crk in the winter. I like his #1 proposal, as that's when I spend most of my time in the Teanaway. I don't know much about the Blewett Pass area, but I'm pretty sure there's some additional terrain over there that skiers would like to be non-motorized.

md2020...

I'm was pleasantly surprised to see your reply.

I apologize for my comment of insinuating that you were closed-minded... your one comment here has shown me that you can be open to others points of view.

Your ability to Civil on this page of post speaks volumes as opposed to WMC's posturing and sweeping accusations.

In contrast to the verbose and skirting replies that WMC has made to direct questions, your openness to a true two way discussion is a breath of fresh air that I believe represents US as skiers/snowboarders/snowshoers etc as a group rather than a minority better.

NewTrout makes some great valid points... points that may not give WMC all that He wants in his proposal to increase exclusive land use. But it is glad to see that people on both sides of he proposal can find common ground.

Kudos!!


BTW, does the user WMC actually represent the entire WMC group with his presentation here?

Who are the Principals of WMC? Is that public record?

Veiled threats of how you could be more abusive do nothing to help your cause and only reinforce to anyone already not sympathetic to your view to side with non-motorized supporters.

Aaron, there was nothing "Veiled" nor did his comment contain a "threat"...

Rather than than threatening HE ACTUALLY SAID "but (I) prefer to work on a real strategy given I care for the BC user of any form to enjoy the area as much as I do and hopefully my kids will"

Lets DO keep the this non inflammatory on both parties.

I, as a backcountry Splitboarder expect no less. (I am also a backcountry snowmobiler as is WMC)

I will help  all in both direction to this end.

WMC...

Rather than saying

WMC: Skiers! USFS likes input, and civil discussion,

Don't you think you should say "Fellow users of the Backcountry"

So that the majority voice is ENCOURAGED to to speak out.

I apologize for my comment of insinuating that you were closed-minded...

I'm pretty sure you got the closed- minded part right. I try to be practical though.

I'm pretty sure you got the closed- minded part right. I try to be practical though.

LOL...maybe not so much as you think...
We should go skinning sometime together...Get some good tree lines (my favorite)... you might just meet another that person that surprises you.

Anyway... Kudos to you for your pragmatic attitude (and to NewTrout as well!!)