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WMC Update 2012
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I posted those on page 10. The numbers were taken from a WA state winter recreation report and do not include downhill ski area visitors.Is the 151,000 number limited to backcountry skiers plus snowshoers? Counting resort skiers when discussing the expected use of backcountry terrain would be like counting mall walkers when estimating the need for hiking trails.
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Me too. The promise of a plowed road up the Teanaway would really motivate me, and probably many others, to put major energy into limiting snowmobiles in the area. Right now I have no real stake in the issue, as I can't get there until the roads melt out anyway. I could see myself spending many winter weekends if there were a plowed road. I'll bet this puts the fear in many a motor head.
Good discussion about access, it would be great to have more high country road access in winter. Unfortunately keeping a gravel Forest Road open in winter, such as on a logging job, is a continuous daily task. And the Road may get soft and muddy. And the driving may be difficult, narrow one lane, and numbers of the general public on the Road could lead to problem scenarios.
Day trips to the Teanaway section of the Wenatchee Mountains crest are long, but are done by some skitourers from 29 Pines- probably not the average day tour. From Blewett Pass the WMC proposal adds terrain that is accessible from the car, for example to the Lillian summit and then getting the Tronsen Head summit on the trip back would be about a 4-5 hour trip on skis.
If the area is designated as non-motorized, trips to the Teanaway section of the Wenatchee Mountains crest would accommodate a great number of skiers. Weekend trips would be enjoyable to this now quiet area with a significant amount of skiable open slopes of all angle of steepness, much of it moderate. The area connects to Wilderness, thus is the corridor to the drainages of Ingalls Creek and beyond to Mt. Stuart and the Enchantments.
Thanks for the discussion!
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The WWA got those facts from the WA State Winter Recreation Report 2008.pulling "facts" from a known hard line environmental group is like asking a child rapist if he can babysit your kids....
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The WWA got those facts from the WA State Winter Recreation Report 2008.
then he should have stated that...would have made it more believable...
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I'm not sure he knew thats where the data came from, I had to do a fair bit of searching to get it. That's where I got the original 150,000 to 98,000 numbers. I'm still having a hard time with that being 50/50 as ruffy posted.then he should have stated that...would have made it more believable...
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I want to consider your desire to not be in the wooded valleys and not be in the trench of sleds, but it takes both sides to acknowledge the other and WMC needs to acknowledge that we don't want to be there either.
I and others have given this acknowledgement, even if WMC has not. Yet I repeatedly see you and ruffy ignore key aspects of the skier POV regarding practicality of day access to wilderness and regarding the practical fact that sledders win in "shared" areas. Emulating WMC does not strengthen your arguments.
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