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Dude, fix those photos.
It's not that tough, makes them borderline useless to all of us.
It's not that tough, makes them borderline useless to all of us.
Thanks for your tr! Scott is on my list---
Can you give directions coming from Bend, Oregon? --fs roads etc. turns offs .... yada yada...
Think there would be any snow left by Memorial weekend?
Can you give directions coming from Bend, Oregon? --fs roads etc. turns offs .... yada yada...
Think there would be any snow left by Memorial weekend?
Lots of good memories up there! My friends and I brought so much meat up to the lean-tos one year that even a year later were known as "those guys with the bacon." Tucks and Huntington's are where I learned to ski steep snow. I can't think of a better place. Watching drunk people ride inner tubes over the headwall was always a good time too.
Thanks for the TR Jonas. We were thinking of going up tomorrow--(kind of a tradition to do the bday tour on my day...) but those pix made me a tad nervous! Last year, we did the tour and SEWs and conditions were memorable. Seems too dangerous right now... even if you skirt left of the cornice, if it goes when coming up anywhere below there...
Great Report Radka! awesome work. Pictures are REALLY good... you will soon forget the pain, but you will have the memories..and the pix!
It was nice meeting and touring with you, guys.
Yeah, vis was on and off but at those times when it opened up and you could see the terrain, skiing was quite fun - .5-1" of sugar on top of 2' of soft mush. Actually much better than what I'd expected, given the warm weather.
Yeah, vis was on and off but at those times when it opened up and you could see the terrain, skiing was quite fun - .5-1" of sugar on top of 2' of soft mush. Actually much better than what I'd expected, given the warm weather.
Looks like fun, though i'm having a hard time seeing those pictures in the correct perception. For future, you can use mspaint and rotate the pictures with a click of a button that may help put them up the right way.
The warm andsunny are it pretty easy to enjoy the day. With stability in the winter those Glacier runs would be unreal. Can't beat 3hr hike to a 3000ft Glacier run.
Grey's was a mission. But totally worth it lottery entry for 2014/15 is going to happen so many options in winter.
Kurt
Grey's was a mission. But totally worth it lottery entry for 2014/15 is going to happen so many options in winter.
Kurt
[img width=600 height=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/c5y58xbm4mdjymy/Photo%20May%2018%2C%2011%2024%2041%20AM.jpg" />
The cornice before slide:
[img width=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/7tma5d7banoicbq/Photo%20May%2018%2C%2011%2024%2010%20AM.jpg" />
Post slide:
[img width=600 height=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/cbgoafvr869veab/Photo%20May%2018%2C%2011%2040%2027%20AM.jpg" />
Slot couloir:
[img width=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/bm6rmq2y3mavduk/Photo%20May...
The cornice before slide:
[img width=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/7tma5d7banoicbq/Photo%20May%2018%2C%2011%2024%2010%20AM.jpg" />
Post slide:
[img width=600 height=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/cbgoafvr869veab/Photo%20May%2018%2C%2011%2040%2027%20AM.jpg" />
Slot couloir:
[img width=800]http://dl.dropbox.com/s/bm6rmq2y3mavduk/Photo%20May...
author=silaswild link=topic=28557.msg120181#msg120181 date=1368934372]
Or as Yvon Chouinard says: "It's not an adventure until something goes wrong."
Agreed.
I'll see your Chouinard and raise you a Messner:
"Mountains are not fair or unfair--they are just dangerous"
author=alpine-earth link=topic=28557.msg120180#msg120180 date=1368930297]
"An adventure is an exciting or unusual experience.... Wikipedia
Or as Yvon Chouinard says: "It's not an adventure until something goes wrong."
author=silaswild link=topic=28557.msg120168#msg120168 date=1368893973]
A "good" piece of snow? I call that a BAD piece.
As I was booting up there Thursday, I was always keeping in mind my escape to safety plan even though the cliff looked bare and finished with sluffing for the year. So glad you two were aware, and thank you for sharing this wake up call with the community, reminding us to stay vigilant.
Ha...
tripped up alpental today with a lil guy i've known his whole life.
we followed the cattrack under 6 keeping a good watch uphill, some debris but no activity by noon. light mist and sunbreaks all morning on nice snow. rollen crux a scramble but goes for another day. l'international was in fine shape but skiers right is developing a moat requiring a mandatory air.
fun times watching q get to the top of 2!
bF
we followed the cattrack under 6 keeping a good watch uphill, some debris but no activity by noon. light mist and sunbreaks all morning on nice snow. rollen crux a scramble but goes for another day. l'international was in fine shape but skiers right is developing a moat requiring a mandatory air.
fun times watching q get to the top of 2!
bF
Tusen Takk.
I've been up that way in summer, having friends in Tromso and Narvik. Dream of skiing there. Way to get it.
I've been up that way in summer, having friends in Tromso and Narvik. Dream of skiing there. Way to get it.
It was great to see the sunny and warm days during your trip. The long days gave you the time to get to Grey's Peak and the upper slope. I had cold and short days in our February Kokanee Trip. Great photos. ;)
I too have longed disliked the climbing permit system on msh. Why does it exist? I posit some issues, because I'm bored this rainy a.m..
1. Congress has never fully funded outdoor recreation on Forest Service lands; in the past, much of OR was funded collaterally by timber harvests.
2. Congress has passed such a mishmash of laws governing federal agencies such that it is practically impossible for the FS to do management well.
3. Conservative members of Co...
1. Congress has never fully funded outdoor recreation on Forest Service lands; in the past, much of OR was funded collaterally by timber harvests.
2. Congress has passed such a mishmash of laws governing federal agencies such that it is practically impossible for the FS to do management well.
3. Conservative members of Co...
WOW ! Great story and photos. You gave the folks the story about the split guy. I skied there a long time ago before the snowboard was made. My son in law lives in Stratham,NH and skied there last week with boys-14, 11 and 8 years old. He had this 14 year old ski the left and right gulley. This place has great stories for ever. ;)
author=alpine-earth link=topic=28557.msg120161#msg120161 date=1368854718]
About 12 turns down the skiers right slide path near Shot 6, a good piece of snow on the rock slab broke above. The mountain gods were favoring us today...Hope that helps give a sense of the desirable ski conditions and areas of caution.
A "good" piece of snow? I call that a BAD piece. Glad you "lived to ski another day" ...
Ive been opposed to the new permit system and MSHI since day one .
My number one gripe is
Between April 1st and May 15 is prime ski mountaineering time on MT St Helens. With The MSHI system Skiers and climbers are forced to use the online system buying a permit for a particular day. With no option to change that day if inclement weather or avalanche issues occur. What could go wrong with that ? No quota is effect in that time period so why not make the permits open dated for Apr...
My number one gripe is
Between April 1st and May 15 is prime ski mountaineering time on MT St Helens. With The MSHI system Skiers and climbers are forced to use the online system buying a permit for a particular day. With no option to change that day if inclement weather or avalanche issues occur. What could go wrong with that ? No quota is effect in that time period so why not make the permits open dated for Apr...
Here are a few more facts about climbing permits on southern Cascade volcanos.
Website sources:
Mt St Helens:
http://mshinstitute.org/index.php/climbing/obtain_a_permit
Mt Adams:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/passes-permits/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5144542
Mt Hood:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mthood/recreation/climbing/?cid=fsbdev3_053506
Details:
Mt St Helens:
[list]
[l...
Website sources:
Mt St Helens:
http://mshinstitute.org/index.php/climbing/obtain_a_permit
Mt Adams:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/passes-permits/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5144542
Mt Hood:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mthood/recreation/climbing/?cid=fsbdev3_053506
Details:
Mt St Helens:
[list]
[l...
Wow, looks like a great trip in a beautiful area. Scandinavia is cool.
Skiing around the Alpental Valley (Mountain valley valley) has been excellent all week. This afternoon JD and I got a good Zen slap upside the head though while on a quick and mellow 'rest day' lap at the end of the day in familiar terrain.
About 12 turns down the skiers right slide path near Shot 6, a good piece of snow on the rock slab broke above. The mountain gods were favoring us today, as we managed to see it just as it was breaking and spraying like whitew...
About 12 turns down the skiers right slide path near Shot 6, a good piece of snow on the rock slab broke above. The mountain gods were favoring us today, as we managed to see it just as it was breaking and spraying like whitew...
author=fwb link=topic=28523.msg120117#msg120117 date=1368737951">
Great trip, great group(s), in stunning August feeling weather.
I uploaded images <-click to link
Was the warmest I've been up there.
Awesome pictures Franklin!
Thank You!
Thanks for the pics! Its been years since I was up at Tuckermans. So many ridiculous stories come to mind...
That is HUGE. No surviving that shit. Thanks for the info!!
author=askalet link=topic=28529.msg120138#msg120138 date=1368766876]
Did the dog recover?
For sure, he was just hamming it up for the camera. He had a great time up there and was chasing me on my skis the whole way out.
I got up there close to 6 and there wasn't any rain all the way until...lot1. Slowly got ready hoping it would pass and hung out on the bridge for a bit, then got antsy and set off just after 6:30. And then the rain stopped about 6:35 leaving a pleasant climb and ski.
I watched you skin in the rain from the comfort of my car - impressed!
When the rain stopped I enjoyed the consolidated corn both up and down lower International.
When the rain stopped I enjoyed the consolidated corn both up and down lower International.
only about a mile now to the trailhead. One carry (might be no carry in a day or two). Pilchuck skied nicely yesterday 5 pm.
Yikes. Was up the White Salmon drainage on 5/1 and there was some serious carnage in there from the previous warm-up... lots of 8-12ft releases at various points along Shuksan arm and some freshly sheared trees to 30" diameter. On the one hand, spring skiing is "safer" in terms of the predictability of skier triggered slides, but it can take a long time for all the slabs to come down, and the naturals go BIG.
Dusk patrol shift. Showers rolled in around 6 and gave me a good soaking for half hour. Paused on Pettigrew Porch to dry out and make go-nogo decision but weather didn't strike again despite threatening clouds to north and west, so that was good.
Ascent via Rollen has a tricky spot now but otherwise fast and straightforward skinning. Some big craters from cat digs in Debbies where they were surfacing utility vaults, you might want to go other runs.
Nash was in really n...
Ascent via Rollen has a tricky spot now but otherwise fast and straightforward skinning. Some big craters from cat digs in Debbies where they were surfacing utility vaults, you might want to go other runs.
Nash was in really n...
sarcasm n16ht5? Not like you're keeping them out of your pow this time of year!
On the Mt St Helens Institute web page, it says:
As I mentioned before, I don't think t...
A permit is required to climb above 4,800 feet on Mount St. Helens year-round. Begun in 1987, the permit system helps protect the volcano and its organisms from harm, reduces crowding, and helps inform climbers regarding hazards, Leave No Trace principles, and safety.
As I mentioned before, I don't think t...
author=pinnatifid link=topic=28515.msg120069#msg120069 date=1368646916]
The funds MSHI collects from the climbing permit program are used to support our volunteer programs, especially the Mountain Stewards....
I thought volunteers worked for free? How much does it cost to organize the volunteers?
author=CascadeClimber link=topic=28515.msg120107#msg120107 date=1368724114]
So you think my position would be somehow more valid if I was talking about places where I never went? I don't think you would, and even if you did, there would someone else who would stand up and say I don't have any business spewing my opinion on places that I don't frequent.
Certainly anyone's credibility is improved when they practice wha...
Nice one tyler!
That's been on my list for muchos anos.
Looks like you hit the weather just right. I enjoyed the full write up, you've become quite the onsite repair man :)
That's been on my list for muchos anos.
Looks like you hit the weather just right. I enjoyed the full write up, you've become quite the onsite repair man :)
author=Mofro link=topic=28540.msg120112#msg120112 date=1368727006]Cool, we were wondering who those headlamps were, since the 2 we ran into at the false summit said it wasn't them.
Nice pictures! It must have been your headlamp we saw heading up Cascadian before 5am as we hit Long's Pass.
Glad you had a fun trip as well.
Great trip, great group(s), in stunning August feeling weather.
I uploaded images <-click to link
Was the warmest I've been up there.
I uploaded images <-click to link
Was the warmest I've been up there.
John / pinnatifid thank you for bringing some facts to the discussion. The "where does the money go" question is really essential to getting to an understanding one way or another. If no facts are provided people have had too much of government doing things the wrong way and are sure to think the worst. We've certainly seen that in the Paradise-on-Tuesday threads and the park has provided nothing to curb it. That taint extends to any nonprofits under government wing.
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Nice pictures! It must have been your headlamp we saw heading up Cascadian before 5am as we hit Long's Pass. We went to give Ulrich's a try but got discouraged by how completely beat up it was, heavily runneled and lots of debris. We turned around ~8400ft since it seemed most of what we'd climbed above 7K was more slide slipping than skiing and it didn't look to be improving above us.
Stuart from Long's Pass @5am. Red dots are the line we improvised since th...
Stuart from Long's Pass @5am. Red dots are the line we improvised since th...
Thanks for the update Silas, if the rain holds off I'll be heading up there this afternoon to stretch the legs.
Thanks Vince. All of us expats whelped on the White Mtns always appreciate reminiscing about the place that started our addiction. Glad you got to touch it and bring us back your amazing photography.
author=andyski link=topic=28515.msg120098#msg120098 date=1368720176]
It's funny how those most allergic to structure and regulation seem to gravitate to exactly the "wild" places that have the most of both (Paradise, MSH, the Enchantments). Thickness in the crowds alone has removed any sense of wilderness in such places.
So you think my position would be somehow more valid if I was talking about places where I never...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=28515.msg120104#msg120104 date=1368722612]
Yeah, life would be a lot better if the 600+ people on Mt St Helens all bought sleds. ;)
I was thinking more of the three people on this thread and the 1.3 million Rainier threads :).
author=andyski link=topic=28515.msg120098#msg120098 date=1368720176]
Get a sled and head off to any number of other places in the state with fewer crowds and regulations (though certainly not "none" of either). Paved-road-to-trailhead spots are always going to be a mess.
Yeah, life would be a lot better if the 600+ people on Mt St Helens all bought sleds. ;)
For me, the permit system on Mt St Helens makes s...
Super trip, guys. Great pics w/ interesting lighting. What's next?