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12 years 11 months ago #208890 by cascaderider
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Wow..... As I read this thread i am somewhat shocked that people still care that much about snowboarders. I say don't knock it until you try it. And even if you did try it you have to admit the learning curve is difficult, much more than skiing. Not sure why people still care so much about other people and wondering if they are having fun. Shouldn't you be worried about your own well being? Just sayin..........

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12 years 11 months ago #208928 by Andrew Carey
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Wow..... As I read this thread i am somewhat shocked that people still care that much about snowboarders. I say don't knock it until you try it. And even if you did try it you have to admit the learning curve is difficult, much more than skiing. Not sure why people still care so much about other people and wondering if they are having fun. Shouldn't you be worried about your own well being? Just sayin..........


I have been equally shocked at the visceral, vehement, and vituperative (that's V cubed) responses from snowboarders! Especially expert bc snowboarders who weren't even relevant to Kim's or anybody else's critique or the industry reports. These reactions continued even after Kim tried to clarify, mollify, and amplify (her respect for snowboarding; now, thats fy cubed). Boy, youse guys are touchy!

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12 years 11 months ago #208930 by RonL
That's alliteratively crazy Andrew.

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12 years 11 months ago #208939 by Lowell_Skoog
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My post was a reaction to all the industry news about the decline of snowboarding.


Yeah, that has been interesting to read.

My takeaway is not that snowboarding sucks, but that alpine skiing has absorbed many of the biggest innovations to come from snowboarding, such as wider skis, rocker, and a loosening of constraints on how skis are designed. So the advantages that snowboards once had for riding soft snow have largely disappeared. And for this reason a lot of people are deciding, "Why use a snowboard when skis work just as well (and in some cases better)?"

Snowboarding will continue to thrive (as a matter of taste) but it seems to have peaked.

It's interesting to me that something similar happened with telemark skiing. Old-timers will recall how telemark skiing was touted as the lightweight, mobile alternative to the clunky alpine gear of the 1960s and 1970s.  During the 1980s, the vast majority of the backcountry skiers under 30 used telemark gear.

But over time, alpine touring gear designers learned from the telemark skiers and improved their gear so that now AT gear is generally lighter than telemark gear. It's a complete turnaround. And now, the vast majority of backcountry skiers under 30 are using AT gear. But telemarking continues to thrive (as a matter of taste).

Maybe the real takeaway is that alpine skiing has a remarkable ability to absorb innovations from other snowsports and remain dominant in popularity.

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12 years 11 months ago #208856 by mc

blah blah blah blah.


there...fixed it for ya.

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12 years 11 months ago #208940 by Andrew Carey
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there...fixed it for ya.


good ole' postmodernist 'merican of high intelligunce ... "I can't hear you cuz I'm talking to me, myself, and I."

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