WMC Update 2012

I can guarantee there are not 151,000 non-motorized winter forest users in WA, as mentioned by WMC.

no doubt.....and certainly not that many folks using the further reaches of the forest, let alone wilderness......

I can guarantee there are not 151,000 non-motorized winter forest users in WA, as mentioned by WMC.

The 151,000 skiers and snowshoers and 98,000 snowmobilers are visits annually not actual user numbers. It would stand to reason that given the numbers for visits that there would be more non-motorized users than motorized, Maybe somewhere around 60,000 non motorized users vs. around 35,000 snowmobilers?

no doubt.....and certainly not that many folks using the further reaches of the forest, let alone wilderness......

It is a safe bet that more snowmobile riders for many years are using the Wilderness of the Ingalls Creek and Jack Creek drainages than other users.

It is a safe bet that more snowmobile riders for many years are using the Wilderness of the Ingalls Creek and Jack Creek drainages than other users.

And they should have the crap fined out of them!! I'd donate to help pay for patrols on wilderness encroachment....

The 151,000 skiers and snowshoers and 98,000 snowmobilers are visits annually not actual user numbers. It would stand to reason that given the numbers for visits that there would be more non-motorized users than motorized, Maybe somewhere around 60,000 non motorized users vs. around 35,000 snowmobilers?

That is incorrect, and you aren't even using the right numbers.  It is 113k skiers and 98k snowmobilers.  These are stated as an estimation of users.  This isn't visits or anything else.  Please review your sources of information.

www.winterwildlands.org/resources/reports/WWA_WA.pdf

Again, this has been discussed previously.  Please use correct statistics and avoid random guesses.

That quote was provided here by someone else, and was justified by them. And it was discussed again.

WMC, the committee needs to be using correct figures and also take responsibility for the sources of those figures if it is going to use them for its purpose. Using random numbers (and incorrect in this case) and passing the responsibility to other people is not responsible.

It is a safe bet that more snowmobile riders for many years are using the Wilderness of the Ingalls Creek and Jack Creek drainages than other users.

So that means that for the small group of snowmobilers that trespass into wilderness, there is even a smaller group of people that backcountry ski in the wilderness?

Obviously you were trying to imply that there is a massive amount of snowmobilers riding in the Wilderness with your statement.