WMC Update 2012

too funny. Now I see what we're up against.

He adjusted his post...

"If we are willing to do that work to get to some back bowl that nobody else rides- why cant a snowmobiling skiier?"

What does a capable 'get me and a buddy to the base of a good bowl' snow machine cost these days?

Also, what does it cost to operate one give or take?

WMC, you figures are incorrect for the amount of snowmobilers.  The number is 98k for snowmobilers, as per the Washington SCORP estimates, which are utilized in the WWA pdf that was used in YOUR posts as having important numbers.  Please stop using incorrect data in this discussion.

Actually the numbers from the WSORP are visits not actual users. There are roughly 35,000 registered snowmobiles in WA and that has remained constant for about 10 years.

I can guarantee there are not 151,000 non-motorized winter forest users in WA, as mentioned by WMC.

I can guarantee there are not 151,000 non-motorized winter forest users in WA, as mentioned by WMC.

That quote was provided here by someone else, and was justified by them. And it was discussed again.

Please tell us what is your point? Do you believe that there are more snowmobile riders using the general Forest in winter? Do you believe that WMC should not ask for winter non-motorized designation areas on the Forest to be used by skiers and snowshoers? Should everyone who wants quiet winter recreation come to the your Snoqualmie stash that you described, is it large enough for everyone?

Thanks for the discussion here everyone.

What does a capable 'get me and a buddy to the base of a good bowl' snow machine cost these days?

Also, what does it cost to operate one give or take?

You can pick up a good late 90's early 2000 for around $2k-$4k that will get up off the road closer to the slopes....cost is registration each year then gas. Usually run premium($3.50ish/gal) and tanks are around 10gal with maybe a 1/4 used for out and back trail/play ride for some good bowl ski runs. Maintenance is maybe a $200/yr if you replace a belt with new plugs etc. Oil for the 2 strokes are $25/gal and I usually get 3 tanks of gas to a gallon of oil. Trailers can be had cheap, I've seen sleds simply in the back of a truck......or you can spend more if you like..;>)

The biggest challenge I think would be getting up some goat trail/boondocking with 2 people on board. but it gets done by lots of boarders skiers. There's a pretty good crew on snowest that get out boarding and skiing from sleds doing filming and such.

Puyallup snow show at the end of October is the place to shop them. It's also the place to get the message out about shared use.