WMC Update 2012

Please take the time to read this thread. USFS is charged by Executive Order to manage the Forest and is required to manage motorized use on the Forest by specifically designating areas for motorized use.

Yes, please write and contact the appropriate officials with individual input, that is our intent. We seek for our appropriate Officials to manage the problems that we describe.

We have often stated that we seek a fair share of the Forest for winter non-motorized recreation. We do not seek to exclude other uses from the Forest. Our view based on our various members' 40 to 100 days skitouring per season, and up to 40 days using snowmobiles,  is that increasingly through omission by lack of management winter non-motorized users are being squeezed from their use on the Forest.

Thanks for the discussion.

We do not seek to exclude other uses from the Forest.

Yes you do.
Perhaps it would be more honest and clear to write.

"We do not seek to exclude other users from the forest" ...entirely... just an increasingly large area of it.

Are we now discussing writing to our elected officials with a poster who is not a US citizen, or do you actually vote?

As far as I know, Scotsman is a US citizen, not that it matters. Let's keep to the issues, not the people behind them.

Yes you do.
Perhaps it would be more honest and clear to write.

"We do not seek to exclude other users from the forest" ...entirely... just an increasingly large area of it.

Please read back through the thread in regard to areas and acreage. Forest was capitalized, meaning the general Forest, Yes, absolutely, if non-motorized users are excluded then in order to have multiple-use on the Forest some areas will need to be designated as non-motorized.

How many days have you ridden snowmobiles on the Forest in your life? From what experience do you relate your perspectives? Have you observed the effects of snowmobiles on snowy mountain slopes? We ride snowmobiles out to skitour, since the '80s and we see the increasing domination of snowmobiles on snowy Forest slopes.

And what of the areas mentioned, shall we discuss the issues? Jim Hill, Arrowhead, Tunnel Creek, Wellington, Skyline Ridge, Lichtenberg, Smithbrook, Rock Mountain, Nason Ridge. All are well known for skitouring, snowshoeing, snow camping, quiet non-motorized winter recreation. All are areas that may be lawfully accessed by snowmobiles, many of those areas and also other areas from Smithbrook Road and even into the Wilderness there are already incurring snowmobile use. In the future, these areas not currently heavily used or not used, by snowmobile riders, will need winter non-motorized designation if skiers wish to reasonably continue their use. Otherwise, these areas will be as is much of the Forest, single-use of snowmobile riding in winter, not multiple-use at all.

Skiers must consider areas that are favorite ski tours that are non-Wilderness but not yet accessed by snowmobiles. Eventually it is very likely for those areas to be used for snowmobile riding. This further illustrates the need for USFS to designate which areas of the Forest outside Wilderness are appropriate for motorized use in winter, and which areas are appropriate for winter non-motorized recreation. As discussed at length here, modern snowmobile capability allows snowmobile riding now on nearly any slope that would be useful for skiing! For example, this thread   www.snowandmud.com/forum/f14/mmm8-invita...tlegar-bc-30234.html   shows extreme terrain that is used by snowmobile riders in Canada.

Simply put out the Wenatchee NF map and observe all of the area to the south of the Wenatchee mountains crest open to snowmobiling, that could not covered on that map by outstretched hands, compared to the primo-skiing Wenatchee Mountains crest area at Tronsen Non-Motorized area at Blewett Pass- which on the map would be covered by a Quarter coin. WMC proposes winter non-motorized designation for the pristine unroaded crest of the Wenatchee Mountains.


We seek a fair share of the snowy forest to be set aside for winter non-motorized use.

Cut this movement off at the knees.
Prevent the FS from making a unilateral decision without public discussion , mandate or funding to enforce.
WMC has shown absolutely no intention to negotiate or reach a mutual user agreement.

Contact your senatorial candidates and tell them that if they support this proposal you will take your vote elsewhere.
The public lands are for all to decide how they are managed not just this group who won't compromise.

murray.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactMe

www.dinorossi.com/

Perfect...

"Cut this movement off at the knees.
Prevent the FS from making a unilateral decision without public discussion , mandate or funding to enforce.
WMC has shown absolutely no intention to negotiate or reach a mutual user agreement."

Perfect...

Perfect why? Do Scotsman and yammadog wish to stifle citizen discussion of the issues? Our observation is that some language and name calling here has stifled discussion from gentle folks, at least one post here was pulled after posting. WMC engages in discussion with various stakeholders in regard to these issues including the opposition.

WMC wishes to educate and mobilize skiers and snowshoers in individual advocacy to USFS asking for more designated non-motorized areas on the Forest in winter.

Simply put out the Wenatchee NF map and observe all of the area to the south of the Wenatchee mountains crest open to snowmobiling, that could not covered on that map by outstretched hands, compared to the primo-skiing Wenatchee Mountains crest area at Tronsen Non-Motorized area at Blewett Pass- which on the map would be covered by a Quarter coin. WMC proposes winter non-motorized designation for the pristine unroaded crest of the Wenatchee Mountains.

We seek a fair share of the snowy Forest to be set aside for winter non-motorized use.