New Bullion Basin lift, upgrade to High Campbell..

Evangelical atheist....can't.
Praying to false idols.....tsk tsk.!

Ahhh, evangelical, that says a lot.

Ahhh, evangelical, that says a lot.

I know... I choose my words carefully.

What strikes me as interesting is what everyone is concerned about is their access, be it purely BC or lift assisted or strictly lifted.

The Puget Sound skiing population has skyrocketed. Accessible skiable acreage really hasn't changed with the exception of Steven's backside. It's natural that this put us at odds: competition for resources.

But I think JoeDa gets the sagacity points for noting that all this web whinging doesn't really do much. You have to participate in your gubbermint.

I would really like to see more access of all types: more snowparks in MRNP, Stampede and Naches areas. And lifts @ Crustal accessing terrain currently not accessed by lifts.

WA has more wilderness area and fewer recreation resources per capita than any other mountain state. I'm not advocating the lift largesses of Yurp, but I really think there's room for the development of more resources.

If we want to waste out time bitching at each other about the minutia of the situation we just become Fox News fodder.

For those concerned, is anyone interested in writing to Crustal suggesting that a Campbell triple might make the skier density too high?

I will point out Vera's letter to the FS was also very helpful in the movement we had to reclaim the rights to ski into MRNP from Crystal. I'm sure he's not fetching for compliments, but his willingness to take on bureaucracy and bring back our rights to access FS and Park lands was significant to the cause. Many skiers take advantage of this daily, but don't realize that this (was) could have been gone. And special thanks to Crystal for acknowledging our rights and not closing access from Crystals boundary. I know they went through bureaucratic hell too.

One of the really sucky things about chatbored is how much they lead to divisive deteriorata.

Here's an opportunity for people to find common ground to challenge Uberaga or FS or WASHDOT policy.

Budget cuts have made this a bad time, but a passive wad gets no grease.

One of the really sucky things about chatbored is how much they lead to divisive deteriorata.

Here's an opportunity for people to find common ground to challenge Uberaga or FS  or WASHDOT policy.

Budget cuts have made this a bad time, but a passive wad gets no grease.

I hear and understand your point regarding the importance of making ones voice heard where it counts - to the people who are making the decisions.  I for one have not been active regarding this issue, but will become so.  Particularly when strategies such as bait and switch are discussed by Mr. Joedabaker.

It should be no surprise that people's emotions are triggered when the subject of putting chairlifts in a very popular touring location is discussed on a site dedicated to BC skiing.  You would likely find a more receptive ear on TGR.  This is particularly true when a group of Crystal Buddies seem to unite their voice and call out the BC community as apathetic and whiny with statements like the one below from the self proclaimed TAY Chief Etiquette Officer.

As I've said before BC skiers are an apathetic group of handwringing whiners who like to gripe after the event and bemoan the "good old days "and get excited about posts regarding the history of skiing and can hardly contain their excitement when Lowell post a picture of some dude from the 1950's in a now closed ski area. Interesting but for me, personally, history has only ever been useful to learn what mistakes were made so they don't get repeated and I think the future far more important. Although I strongly disagree with the attempts of the ALPs project and WAC's wilderness non motorized access and similar advocacy and I will use my meager and ineffectual  voice to fight them tooth and claw, I  grudgingly admire that they are trying to do something.

The expansion of BC use staggering and this state needs new winter access points to spread the load and avoid conflict.... so stop looking back....do something about it or STFU.

I appreciate the call to action, but I do not appreciate the notion that you must earn your right to have an opinion and express that opinion in a public forum.

Cheers,
Orion