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New Bullion Basin lift, upgrade to High Campbell..

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15 years 1 month ago #216643 by Joedabaker

edit to say:  Joe, who is not following CM's rules?  I get the feeling you think I and others are anti-ski resort.  While I can only speak for myself, I can say that that is not the case.  I am glad CM is there and am glad they seem to operate the resort with many users in mind.  I just would rather they pursue resort expansion into other terrain that is not so heavily traveled by touring skiers AND I believe not paying skiers are not free-loaders; They are tax-payers accessing public land.
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Thanks for the feedback Orion,
I don't think that you are anti-resort. Not in the least.
Randy is right to a degree.
I do agree that they are tax payers, but the holders of the SUP decide who can access their permit area land. They could ban all uphill traffic in the area if they choose, since they hold the liability of the contracted area. They choose to be tourer friendly to the degree of safety of their customers at this time. Even If you are kicked off the mountain and lose your Crystal pass, you are not allowed back on the SUP area at all even if you pay taxes for the land. Just like logging, yes it is on public lands with contracts sold to private parties to log. But you cannot freely access the land when they are in operations, just because you are a taxpayer.

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15 years 1 month ago #216644 by prestonf

Nothing like a well informed and considered response.
But I think I'm done. This is a hopeless divisive quibble.


Well, I apologize if my response wasn't well-informed and considered, but you know nothing about me or my background.  How could you???  I'll have to check out the book though.

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15 years 1 month ago #216645 by Vera_Similitude
Replied by Vera_Similitude on topic Re: New Bullion Basin lift, upgrade to High Campbell..

Well, I apologize if my response wasn't well-informed and considered, but you know nothing about me or my background.  How could you???  I'll have to check out the book though.

We've met several times.

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15 years 1 month ago #216646 by Joedabaker
Really I think that we are getting worked up for something that more than likely will not ever happen. But, as I mentioned since the proper channels were addressed at the time of request for input, Crystal Could, but probably won't use the card that East Peak expansion is necessary due to increased load of skiers.
The Bullion Basin chair will be handy enough at this time to tour higher to East Peak and Bullion. There will be a remarkable increase of traffic up East Peak just from that alone. I can see the skin track from 100 skiers now. If I was Crystal, I would forget East Peak Chair and focus the tour program that they are touting on their website to accommodate their tour groups. They can start from the top of the Bullion Basin Chair.  Plenty of terrain to tour to from there. No offense purists, it's just going to happen.
Maybe develop a SnoPark area lower on the boulevard by the summer access road to Goldhills. That is where all the tour skiers can start from to access the terrain.

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15 years 1 month ago #216647 by prestonf

We've met several times.


Well, hopefully I'll see you on the slopes or in the elk soon, whoever you are, and maybe I'll read George Price over the weekend so we can talk about it in person lol ;D.

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15 years 1 month ago - 15 years 1 month ago #216652 by Scotsman
I blame all this on two things John Muir and tribalism.
I blame John Muir for the Wilderness cult in N. America. He's a fellow Scot but I'd wish he'd just stayed at home ( as I'm sure you wish I had..... beat you to it). The population is growing and people want healthy recreation and skiing is one of them. Ski areas need to expand to accommodate that need. Some wilderness needs to be protected but really... Crystal Ski Area and the lovely clear cuts on the scenic drive there???????
They have it right in Europe( because they sent Muir over here) with ski areas everywhere and great access for both those that like piste and off -piste skiing and ski mountaineering.
WA has mountains that nearly rival the Alps IMHO  but the access just sucks ( unless ,it will be pointed out, you are some uber rad ski tourer willing to put up with incredible hardship to reach the area........ but isn't that an elitist response)
We need new access points, better winter access into our national parks in WA. A hut system that allows high level traverses and multi-day ski mountaineering trips in various parts of the state. Expansion of ski areas to spread the crowds and make the  resort skiing experience better. 
In the meantime we lock more an more of it up and then wonder why Americans and their kids get fatter and fatter and die earlier compared to the other developed countries and  we now have to run ads on TV to tell American kids to get some exercise every day.

Tribalism... don't get me started..... the scourge of Africa( I spent 5 years there.. I know)
Are  you a BC skier or a resort skier or are you a hybrid?? I am only BC and never use lifts so my tribe is better...... No I am a resort skier and you BC skiers are pinko's... my tribe is better. Idiotic.
I'm a skier, I like BC and lift skiing and sidecountry and slashcountry and ski mountaineering and heli skiing and snowmobile assist skiing and XC skiing. We're all susceptible to it and I'm very guilty in that regard. Nearly every BC skier I have met( well at least the ones that could ski) have spent a lot of time in the resorts.

Crystal needs and I have NO doubt will provide free and safe access for those wishing to access the BC from the Crystal base or from the top of the lifts not because they have to ( which they may) but because it will be good for skiing in general. So would better winter access to our mountains as people are getting squashed and together and as lab studies show... when you put too many rats together they start eating one another.

As a Scot I apologize on behalf of my country for sending John Muir over here. It's F@@cked you up it has.( I'm sure somebody will apologize for sending me here as well.... beat you to it again!)
Time to play catch up and do something about it .... or control population growth.

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