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Crystal has always had poor customer relations in my book. My wife and I went up to ski after snoqualmie opened but could not use our pass because they were not in full operations. they said that I could come back tomorrow and use it because west and central would be open. I told them that was not full operations so why would it work tomorrow and not today? They said that it had to do with full price tickets and not lifts open...... There were tons of people just li...
We took a trip there a couple years ago, but under much better conditions. The "highlight" of the trip was, due to lack of space on the motorized vehicles, several of us being towed out on skis behind the sleds. Pretty fun for a while, but after 20 miles in those temps it got old real fast.
Brenda and I had planned to spend the holidays in Nelson, but canceled at the last minute due to the conditions. They had had a very thin snowpack, under super cold temps for several week...
Brenda and I had planned to spend the holidays in Nelson, but canceled at the last minute due to the conditions. They had had a very thin snowpack, under super cold temps for several week...
Marcus~
Spooky is right! We baggd our outing all together. Good to hear the area has promise. Scotsmans got the Karma statemtnt to the T....Now lets get winter back on.
"Next time gadget.....Next Time...!!!" (Dr. Claw)
Spooky is right! We baggd our outing all together. Good to hear the area has promise. Scotsmans got the Karma statemtnt to the T....Now lets get winter back on.
"Next time gadget.....Next Time...!!!" (Dr. Claw)
Yeah, there's some remarkable stuff up there.
Some of the pit variability was due to the sub-snow surface -- lots of rock and trees, etc, so lots of local changes. That CT11 to ground was on a 25 degree slope though... spooky. All the pits we dug were to ground. It was that 18" slab on the rutschblock that scared us the most -- the whole slope we dug it one actually cracked above our pits as Todd was approaching the RB...
Some of the pit variability was due to the sub-snow surface -- lots of rock and trees, etc, so lots of local changes. That CT11 to ground was on a 25 degree slope though... spooky. All the pits we dug were to ground. It was that 18" slab on the rutschblock that scared us the most -- the whole slope we dug it one actually cracked above our pits as Todd was approaching the RB...
Wow, those are some scary pit results Marcus CT5, CT10, CT11 with Q1!!!! yikes.
Sorry it didn't work out for you but seeing new terrain for the future is always money in the karma bank.
I love that part of BC.
Sorry it didn't work out for you but seeing new terrain for the future is always money in the karma bank.
I love that part of BC.
Hyak - photo from a long email chain @ work
I am hoping for two new high speed quads and night skiing next year at Hyak to rip lap after lap
That's pretty cool that you were there to see it.
Have you considered that perhaps you are bad luck?
If so, sorry. That sucks.
Have you considered that perhaps you are bad luck?
If so, sorry. That sucks.
Thanks Matt, we'll check that out.
Had we better snow, the terrain was like a low alpine version of Fairy Meadows. Many, many fantastic lines, if only we could get near them without changing our shorts.
Had we better snow, the terrain was like a low alpine version of Fairy Meadows. Many, many fantastic lines, if only we could get near them without changing our shorts.
Too bad about the snowpack, Marcus. But it sounds like a fun trip nonetheless. If you want a "cozy" shelter for next year in that area, check out the Huckleberry Hut just south of Nelson.
Where are the stopping plowing on highway 20. Can you park at Silver Star Creek?
i haven't had any bad vibes thrown my way up at baker either. in fact, the vibe there is making me like it more and more (currently taking their MEC 200 level course).
however, as far as space between riders goes i'm not sure about that. but like i said there are a lot of people within a short ride of the terrain.
i think what sparked my local-ness comment was the comment regarding more beta for the seattle snow sluts coupled with reading the "Dec...
however, as far as space between riders goes i'm not sure about that. but like i said there are a lot of people within a short ride of the terrain.
i think what sparked my local-ness comment was the comment regarding more beta for the seattle snow sluts coupled with reading the "Dec...
I've never noted even a hint of localism at Baker. Not once. There is too much terrain and space between snow riders. Wind-an-Sea Beach in La Jolla, off Gravilla street, that's localism for you....
Apparently the FS or whom ever manages the forest up yonder marks the "killer trees" as those trees who have snags, or week root structures after a burn event. Good to know...
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meet new people. have more fun.
I've met so many new people and had so much more fun thanks to TAY! Charles is the man.
Justin....I knew that was you on the back nine.....you beat Jen and I to the goods ... funny we didn't see you or you Dan. thanks for the uptrack! Great day 8) .... Jerry
You shouldda come down the road a bit to Galer below 24th. The kids had a kicker and everything!
Many of you know I've been a vocal critic of CM customer relations. I wish I weren't but there it is. I will say that I have heard a couple of pretty bad stories already this year of people being treated less than thoughtfully. Really, how hard is it to do something nice for a dissatisfied customer (even if you - as a customer relations person - disagree) if they are genuine. A voucher for another day costs little relative to the loyalty and good will it will generate. The sad thing is...
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I had always thought back-up motors were run as part of start-up procedures everyday.
Occasionally , Crystal will fire up the diesel engines to make surre they are operating correctly. But, only now and then. They should fire immediately, with a person in the know, on how to operate those expensive pieces of equipment.
Most of those maps are easy to read so I assume that you're reading them correctly. These maps are great tools for aiding perception of exposure to avalanche terrain. But as a perceptual tool, they have several downsides: for example: non-avalanche terrain does not indicate safe terrain. Second, although the maps provide a very accurate depiction of which slopes are steep enough to avalanche, they don't integrate snowpack information. This is a nasty thorn.
Third, the middl...
Third, the middl...
2009 new year's resolution? slash as many local spots as possible from a base out of seattle.
folks need to get over the local-ness considering a metropolis of over 1M people is within 3 hours of all WA mtn goodness. meet new people. have more fun. leave the vibes for the lift line bro-brahs. unless of course you were hatched out of a raven egg high atop a mtn.
:)
folks need to get over the local-ness considering a metropolis of over 1M people is within 3 hours of all WA mtn goodness. meet new people. have more fun. leave the vibes for the lift line bro-brahs. unless of course you were hatched out of a raven egg high atop a mtn.
:)
Holy crap! So most of this programming jargon is WAY over my head, but I understand how to read the final maps (at least I think I do). I would be really curious to see Granite Mtn. area and a few others that are pretty prone or reknowned for sliding. You know Cookie Monster, if you need specific info from snow pits, rutschblocks, etc. for programming this kind of stuff (sheer levels, snow density, etc.), would it be possible to make a simple form we could fill out after some b...
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Orion, Is this rock where you headed right, away from our tracks or was it before that? Chaotic is a good word, though we were calling it something else >:(.
We left your ski track before the rock in the steep trees but continued along the same general path up to the rock. It looked like maybe our skis were biting into the crust under the fluff a...
Nice TR Lee I have to head out there sometime this season.
I made that map of Chinook Pass with some custom software, DEM data from USGS, and orthographic imagery from University of Washington. The rendering is customized using a variety of graphics tricks. Mostly simple, some complicated. There are other useful and useless research images here:
http://www.scenomics.com/internal/accounts/richardm/avalanche/topics/images_01.htm
http://www.scenomics.com/internal/accounts/richardm/avalanche/topics/images_01.htm
I looks almost like a better time that I had in oregon...almost :) Man I got to get my butt up to Rogers some time.
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That map is really cool...that'd be a sweet additional overlay for google earth!
No kidding! Just earlier today I was thinking about how one could generate avalanche starting zones and runouts as an overlay to google earth or google maps using usgs digital elevation model data. It would be way more useful for trip planning than trying to squint at c...
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great pics- i like the dual-rider photos - very cool.
what camera set up are you using in the back-country?
Scott
Scott - Canon G10 and a Canon A710 both set to Aperture priority.
I also sometimes pack around a DSLR but the g10 is making me think that the DSLR will get left home a lot
What am I doing still reading...this just makes me want to go ski! Awesome pics!
That map is really cool...that'd be a sweet additional overlay for google earth!
great pics- i like the dual-rider photos - very cool.
what camera set up are you using in the back-country?
Scott
what camera set up are you using in the back-country?
Scott
Awesome TR Lee! Way start the new year.
There are some really good additional pictures in the linked TR as well.
There are some really good additional pictures in the linked TR as well.
Bostock drainage on Jan 4th
Skied off SW facing slope off McGill shoulder into the burns. Found the same facet layer from Christmas but failling on moderate shears on that aspect. Ski pen was 30 or so and slope was w/l with fluffy white fist density snow. Skied a protected treed ridged rib instead of wide open bowl due to exposure.
Probably a bit conservative as ski cutting convexities produced nil results in any event. Quality turns ...
Skied off SW facing slope off McGill shoulder into the burns. Found the same facet layer from Christmas but failling on moderate shears on that aspect. Ski pen was 30 or so and slope was w/l with fluffy white fist density snow. Skied a protected treed ridged rib instead of wide open bowl due to exposure.
Probably a bit conservative as ski cutting convexities produced nil results in any event. Quality turns ...
Day 2 - Jan 3 - 8812 Bowl - Ursus
Got in the alpine today. 35cms ski pen on w/l slopes in Balu/Bruins area. No whumpfing. Felt a hint of a w/s layer lower in valley with pole probes but no signs of same layer on SE facing slopes at TL and BTL
Pillows and convexities didn't react to ski cuts. some sluffing on storm snow but no slabs.
Got in the alpine today. 35cms ski pen on w/l slopes in Balu/Bruins area. No whumpfing. Felt a hint of a w/s layer lower in valley with pole probes but no signs of same layer on SE facing slopes at TL and BTL
Pillows and convexities didn't react to ski cuts. some sluffing on storm snow but no slabs.
Hey, good pics. I was at riding lifts on Saturday and saw tracks coming down East Peak, guess some of those were yours.
I've sketched out the fairly recient clearcuts and the newly thinned areas in this Live Maps collection
Orion, Is this rock where you headed right, away from our tracks or was it before that? Chaotic is a good word, though we were calling it something else >:(.
I have been eyeing those lines for a couple of years. I seems when you want to ski them they are not safe or are cleaned off by the wind. Last weekend might have been a good bet for them.
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Oh Tim thats all very complicated. You should post a annotated photo so I nevert have to confuse my blueberry chutes again.
Tim's New Year resolution: More beta for the Seattle snow sluts (SSS)!?
Will his Baker band of boys banish him?
2009 it's a brave new world.
Lookin good Brenda. You guys are heroes stomping it out all the way up there. Thanks for the report.
Yes our skin tracks were very chaotic and the route-finding was somewhat frustrating. But a good day in the hills nonetheless. We did come accross a group of elk traversing the steep wooded slopes about 5300'. It was surprising to see big hairy things cruzing through the trees.
You stayed in the Nisqually lodge ? Just totally disgraceful I'm telling ya! Oh what a delight it would be if the Paradise lodge or even part of it was open for winter tourers. Park service and concsessonairs wake up ! Such a lack of imagination.
Great trip report Stugie and fabulous pics. It was a really fun day and we thoroughly enjoyed meeting up with you guys!
Oh Tim thats all very complicated. You should post a annotated photo so I nevert have to confuse my blueberry chutes again.
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Thanks for the excellent information. I have been gathering information for on-going work in modeling snowpack instability on the computer. In a different post ( here on TAY ) I indicated that I wasn't sure about the distribution of instability, nor if it was as bad as some people think.
I wasn't taking issue with the NWAC forecast ... I'm trying to understand how instability is actually distributed rather than using rules of thumb from bulletins or individual skier rep...
I wasn't taking issue with the NWAC forecast ... I'm trying to understand how instability is actually distributed rather than using rules of thumb from bulletins or individual skier rep...
I wondered if you guys were TAY folks, didn't want to ask because, well, that could be a bit nerdy. If I'd known it was you I would have hit you for discount tires ;D
Nice day up there. Yodlin remains one of my favorites. I even kind of like the new Cajun topping.
Nice day up there. Yodlin remains one of my favorites. I even kind of like the new Cajun topping.
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Thanks for the report on route selection- the slide looks like its on the north face of the steep slope just north-east of Table Mountain- correct?
Correct. It is called "Granny's". Or the BlueBerry Chutes. Often "Blueberry Chutes" is used to refer to everything from the OB gate on the Blueberry cat track to the Nose. The...