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Thanks for the tr and pics--LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!
Now the Park Service is going to be looking for a PAIR of 'hoods' with ski masks and bolt cutters (Avajane and Dave..)--The new DYNAMIC DUO!
Sorry to miss your injury and glad it wasn't worse. You weren't lying about that 20 feet! Quite the photo evidence of too much speed in bad light! Last year I told an old friend that I had caught big air and he just looked at me and said "flat light?"
Like Charlie said, we are all too old to jump in the backcountry in the fog. The good news is that you will give your sore knee some time off! See you at Sunrise.
Like Charlie said, we are all too old to jump in the backcountry in the fog. The good news is that you will give your sore knee some time off! See you at Sunrise.
author=freeskiguy link=topic=31547.msg132421#msg132421 date=1398521539]
you mean the east doesn't have Bc skiing? No ice with exposure? My point is that you reach a comfort level with the conditions you are raised on. The Bc skiers that i know from the east make really bad snow, like ice and wind hammer,look easy to ski.
This is so true, Samthaman is said to actually hate powder and smooth corn, preferring wicked hard crust...
Good thing there's no wind loading around there,eh?
BTW good pickin!
BTW good pickin!
Just like Tabke said...better than TV...especially when babysitting on a Friday night.
LR skiing TR's over the last few years seem to fall into two camps - the mid-April/early-May attempts, and the late-June/early-July attempts. The later attempts seem to find better conditions and have better luck with the skiing. If you are too late, this can happen:
http://mountrainierconditions.blogspot.com/2010/04/liberty-ridge-2010.html
Too early and you get gray pa...
LR skiing TR's over the last few years seem to fall into two camps - the mid-April/early-May attempts, and the late-June/early-July attempts. The later attempts seem to find better conditions and have better luck with the skiing. If you are too late, this can happen:
http://mountrainierconditions.blogspot.com/2010/04/liberty-ridge-2010.html
Too early and you get gray pa...
Alex, don't sweat it, ski-mountaineers struggle with identity issues. Consider yourselves "Fun hogs" and be done with that.
The lock is a different deal and that is done...
Keep climbing smart and have fun.
The lock is a different deal and that is done...
Keep climbing smart and have fun.
Just to clear one thing up - we snowmobiled from the end of the plowed road at the White River Ranger Station, to the Glacier Basin Trailhead at the White River Campground (where the "No Snowmobiles" sign is).
Here's my gpx from the TH where we started skiing to Thumb Rock: http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.php?q=http://sites.google.com/site/acleone/gpx/2014-04-11_LR_TH_to_Thumb_Rock.gpx&ll=46.885500,-121.715739&z=13&t=t4
My two cents about t...
Here's my gpx from the TH where we started skiing to Thumb Rock: http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.php?q=http://sites.google.com/site/acleone/gpx/2014-04-11_LR_TH_to_Thumb_Rock.gpx&ll=46.885500,-121.715739&z=13&t=t4
My two cents about t...
I have nothing glib or amusing to add--others have done so well. Sky's, "Let your freak flag fly" comment had me nearly spitting beer out my nose. And I put in my vote for Scotsman as being his best post ever. Funny, clever and with that edge of sarcasm we have come to expect.
My boring droll comment is to ask why a road that is open for sledding is locked for road access. Why not let folks drive to the snow and unload? I recently used sleds to do the Forbidden T...
My boring droll comment is to ask why a road that is open for sledding is locked for road access. Why not let folks drive to the snow and unload? I recently used sleds to do the Forbidden T...
author=WillD link=topic=31547.msg132393#msg132393 date=1398455622]
ripping icy groomers at sugarbush is entirely different than skiing an icy, exposed, 5,000-foot line on a volcano. :D
In the OP's defense.. it's not that different
This is a story of a great adventure. Dave thanks for posting and including so many pictures. As for the lock, and though it might be a $5 lock I am guessing the Feds paid $150 for it. I don't see anywhere Dave actual says he cut it.
score! on the pink flip-flops. What's that on your big toe, a japanese fog monster?
We need a Snoqualmie report, and the TR's are blank. except for that bolt-cutting ice-tromping one, which seems to be growing by the hour... it's a manly thing.
hope you get well soon!
We need a Snoqualmie report, and the TR's are blank. except for that bolt-cutting ice-tromping one, which seems to be growing by the hour... it's a manly thing.
hope you get well soon!
Desperate times call for desperate measures: my Japanese senior sitting physical therapist suggested this to improve my skiing and get me back sooner. Hope it helps!
Great write-up of your adventure. The lock cutting could make for road opening/ access problems problems in the future.
Keep your TRs coming though--great reads!
Keep your TRs coming though--great reads!
"Hey man, you wanna hang out Friday night?"
"Nah, I'm gonna stay in and watch the April Liberty Ridge thread."
"Nah, I'm gonna stay in and watch the April Liberty Ridge thread."
author=jasonkdowns link=topic=31547.msg132359#msg132359 date=1398397489]
This whole thread is self righteous....too many folks getting up on their soap boxes. Also, I love how people sit here behind a monitor and rip these guys. I don't get it. It cracks me up because I know 90% of the sh#t talkin folks wouldn't have the nuts (or ovaries) to say this stuff face to face. Anonymity makes ya feel a bit more ballsy than you really are sometimes.
author=skykilo link=topic=31547.msg132375#msg132375 date=1398437389]
This thread is the apogee of TAY!
Two nights ago, having a beer and watching the NBA playoffs at Rio Chama steakhouse, the bartender told me that he actually carries bolt cutters in his truck all of the time. He started doing it after somebody locked him inside some parking area once and he's had multiple legitimate occasions to use them since.
A fr...
author=calamity link=topic=31547.msg132388#msg132388 date=1398451910]
http://vimeo.com/72024058
a good example of the "poor" ski mountaineering being exercised in the modern age.
all the transitions and ice, you cant even call it ski mountaineering!
And it probably wasn't really that steep! It was just some pile of rocks called Robson in some foreign country way up north. ;)
author=freeskiguy link=topic=31547.msg132360#msg132360 date=1398398849]
Many East coasters do not fear ice like some west-coasters do. East coasters fear 'cascade cement'. The local boys here ski it with grace. Back east, it is common to encounter and ski ice that is so clear blue that the ground is visible through the ice. The solution is to move west.
ripping icy groomers at sugarbush is entirely different than ski...
Truly amazing post Dave.
You have been admonished/shamed by.
The former Freeride ski world Champion
The sates' most eminent ski historian.
Several professional guides.
A sponsored Snowboarder.
Several of the PNW's "les enfants terrible" of steep, sick ski-mountaineering.
The most renowned amateur meteorologist in the region.
AND the word penis was used.
Amazing....you have my admiration.....please keep posting.
You have been admonished/shamed by.
The former Freeride ski world Champion
The sates' most eminent ski historian.
Several professional guides.
A sponsored Snowboarder.
Several of the PNW's "les enfants terrible" of steep, sick ski-mountaineering.
The most renowned amateur meteorologist in the region.
AND the word penis was used.
Amazing....you have my admiration.....please keep posting.
http://vimeo.com/72024058
a good example of the "poor" ski mountaineering being exercised in the modern age.
all the transitions and ice, you cant even call it ski mountaineering!
a good example of the "poor" ski mountaineering being exercised in the modern age.
all the transitions and ice, you cant even call it ski mountaineering!
a good 260 cm up near the St. Nich/Olive Col, and deeper than the probe could reach at the Balfour High Col. For some reason there was only about 4 feet of snow on the ice in the crux crevasse area on the Balfour High Col route, but everything was well bridged. There has been new snow up there since we went through on Saturday by the sounds of things.
Looking good, hopefully I will be up there in a week. Did you guys take any measurements of the snow depths on the ice field around the different huts? Not sure if you guys have done it before but did you notice any sags in places that don't normally have any?
Still winter up there for awhile yet!
Ha, the lure of this thread has become to strong... It's pulling us all in. Keep posting reports Dave... Oh and shame on you man, but good job too, and east coast or not that ice looks scary... But I am over 40 and own a snowboard so I don't likely count as having an opinion on such matters.
As for a term of whatever this sport is.... I still prefer to call it "dorking around in the mountains"
As for a term of whatever this sport is.... I still prefer to call it "dorking around in the mountains"
This does seem like a new approach to 'ski mountaineering.' Like most, I have never even considered using bolt cutters or snomo-ing into a national park. Thus I suggest we nominate these intrepid young fellows for a Polaris/Hilti/Workforce Maestri Award™, which comes with a lifetime ban from using tools in the park
author=skykilo link=topic=31547.msg132375#msg132375 date=1398437389]
I prefer "ski alpinism" and "cross-country freeride" (with no apology to Steve Barnett, whom I greatly admire).
Happy Friday!
Cross-country Freeride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9OQUOGcL4c&list=PL9F7BDB669B897F08
This thread is the apogee of TAY!
Two nights ago, having a beer and watching the NBA playoffs at Rio Chama steakhouse, the bartender told me that he actually carries bolt cutters in his truck all of the time. He started doing it after somebody locked him inside some parking area once and he's had multiple legitimate occasions to use them since.
To Dave Schultz: personally, I neither condemn nor endorse any of your actions. I might not want to play on Liberty Ridg...
Two nights ago, having a beer and watching the NBA playoffs at Rio Chama steakhouse, the bartender told me that he actually carries bolt cutters in his truck all of the time. He started doing it after somebody locked him inside some parking area once and he's had multiple legitimate occasions to use them since.
To Dave Schultz: personally, I neither condemn nor endorse any of your actions. I might not want to play on Liberty Ridg...
author=Lowell_Skoog link=topic=31547.msg132316#msg132316 date=1398358841]
The very best ski mountaineering involves flow.
Several years ago, a couple of well-known skiers descended the Mowich Face almost entirely by side-stepping. The snow was crustier than they expected, but they persisted in keeping their skis on for the entire descent.
Yes, but did they sidestep/herringbone up the face? If so, the...
Hope ypu peg your fun meter it looks like your on it.
It is in Kananaskis Country on the north side of the valley between Mount Engadine and Tower Mountain. You can see it from where the road crosses the creek. Best to send up the creek till you come to an impassable waterfall (or before if you have magic waterfall sensing powers) and then skin on the south facing slopes just above the creek in the nice burnt trees till you get into the valley proper.
author=BillK link=topic=31547.msg132327#msg132327 date=1398364962]
For me, skis often feel like an extension of my penis.
^^^^ Probably the only worthwhile take away from this thread.
Wait a minute, I thought I was on TAY not cascadeclimbers.com. Very entertaining indeed.
I must say this has been one of THE most entertaining threads I have ever read on TAY.
From nonchalant dead-pan epic retelling, true crime, history, poems, theory, drama.
Awesome.
From nonchalant dead-pan epic retelling, true crime, history, poems, theory, drama.
Awesome.
I don't give a crap what or how these guys 'skied'. It seems like a very poor decision to tee off on Lib right now but that's my own deal not theirs.
They couldn't find the snow park so they cut the lock on the gate. That deserves ridicule! and this is the internet after all.
The serial lock cutting is disturbing to me though. I don't think land managers want public lands associated with criminal activity and what they perceive as �...
They couldn't find the snow park so they cut the lock on the gate. That deserves ridicule! and this is the internet after all.
The serial lock cutting is disturbing to me though. I don't think land managers want public lands associated with criminal activity and what they perceive as �...
Silas,
Your landing site was softer than the alternatives. There are numerous products that can protect parts of your body. Due to my back surgery, I wear a Salomon Flexcell Back Protector when touring and downhill skiing. I have seen young folks with protectors in the terrain parks. I have seen a few folks wearing a rib protector. We have changed as we have aged. You are still a younger skier compared to me. ;)
Zap
Your landing site was softer than the alternatives. There are numerous products that can protect parts of your body. Due to my back surgery, I wear a Salomon Flexcell Back Protector when touring and downhill skiing. I have seen young folks with protectors in the terrain parks. I have seen a few folks wearing a rib protector. We have changed as we have aged. You are still a younger skier compared to me. ;)
Zap
Suppose I did :) Thanks for the insight, buddy.
author=freeskiguy link=topic=31547.msg132355#msg132355 date=1398394858]
rule 1- do not place others, including SAR personal, at risk of harm due to irresponsible actions.
Freeskiguy, please define "irresponsible" for me. I bet some folks would define the sh#t you do in the mtns as "irresponsible". Point here is that its very subjective. Something irresponsible to someone else may not be in yo...
author=telemack link=topic=31524.msg132258#msg132258 date=1398225541]
Thanks for the snow report. You are quite the dapper pair in your spring outfits ;D
I hope there will be something left in June. Did you see Thielson or Crater Lake in your wanders?
No info on Thielson or Crater Lake. The areas near Bachelor have more snow and the highway opens around Memorial holiday.
author=ryanl link=topic=31547.msg132325#msg132325 date=1398364077]
I agree Lowell, but I think your understanding of Flow carries with it some pretty subjective claims (one's which I myself admire and aspire to) about what counts as Flow. Flow doesn't apply only to schussing effortlessly, or gliding endlessly. And skis are way more than gliding tools, in the same way that crampons are way more than ice climbing tools. Flow can apply just as well t...
Sick. Shred has set the bar!!!
Up near Bow hut today. Super nice conditions; cold, low avi, sun.
This dead horse has definitely been beat!!! I don't want to make light of some significant points that have been made but common guys...Even the Feds only fined them a hundred something bucks. With my stamina I'd love to plunk down $150 to save a days road hiking! If the Feds thought this was such a big deal they would have done something else to the guys.
Are we all forgetting what we did when we were young? By the time I was their age I'd either committed or seen com...
Are we all forgetting what we did when we were young? By the time I was their age I'd either committed or seen com...
thanks for the trip report.
I did not think there were any rules to ski mountaineering. thankfully we don't have to break those because there are none.
I did not think there were any rules to ski mountaineering. thankfully we don't have to break those because there are none.
IMHO I think the community is better off when people like Dave share these types of experiences, bad or good.
On a more categorical note, the so called sport of "ski mountaineering" suggests that not all ascents will be rewarded with a fantastic ski since it depends on unexpected conditions, safety concerns and last minute decisions made on the fly. Likewise not all ski descents require ascending routes that if looked at narrowly would be considered "mountaineering"...
On a more categorical note, the so called sport of "ski mountaineering" suggests that not all ascents will be rewarded with a fantastic ski since it depends on unexpected conditions, safety concerns and last minute decisions made on the fly. Likewise not all ski descents require ascending routes that if looked at narrowly would be considered "mountaineering"...
author=tabski link=topic=31547.msg132313#msg132313 date=1398353261]
Route choice, conditions windows, wine pairings...
Based on the route and conditions window these gentlemen chose, I can't imagine the poor wine pairings they might make!
Yeah, Ryan, clean up your act! Now where were we.....?
Great timing, perfect for sled travel, and a total score on the powder! thanks