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15 years 1 month ago #196058 by Jonathan_S.
Replied by Jonathan_S. on topic Re: Dynafit toe piece lifts

Hi Gerry and all be aware that Dynafit as well as most binding screws have a specific pitch to the threads. If you use a different pitched screw you risk striping out the threads in the binding insert in the ski.

With the rare exception of some odd telemark bindings (or is that redundant?), as well as a few exotic rando race bindings (another redundancy?), all ski bindings (downhill, AT, xc) use the same screws with regard to thread pitch, thread diameter, and driver type.
The potentially tricky part is matching screw length and head type.
For Dynafit toes, on the four side-by-side screws, pretty much any head type works, but for the center screw, need a compact head, like on the Look/Rossi & Salomon screws that pass through the binding housing. The Salomon shop accessories catalog has a huge list of screws, plus Slidewright can order from the various SVST options.
After you've made your custom risers (try LDPE from SmallParts.com), determine the necessary screw either by measuring the riser and doing the math, or put the binding in the riser than keep inserting different screws and measuring the penetration using digital calipers. The actual penetration might increase though when mounted, b/c the "sandwich" of binding + mounting plate + custom riser will be compressed together more.

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15 years 1 month ago #196059 by Joedabaker
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^^^^
I have a box of binding screws from old bindings tour, alpine and tele that I have had over the years.
I will buy into the obvious differences, that the head sizes, taper or flat. Though, It perked my interest to hear that the pitch angle was the same and diameters are the same so I did a little check on that.
I measured a significant variance in the space between the thread pitches of a variety of screws. Most of the threads were close in the the pitch angle, but spacing varied. That could be a real problem if I am sorting to find a match to a present hole, like if I stripped the head on a a screw.
I have a brand new set of Dynafit ST's in a box so I measured the 5th screw head on the Dynafit toe piece to see the difference. I assumed that all the screws were the same head sizes on the toepiece. The 5th screw was only .01 smaller on my calipers, not enough to shake my tree.

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15 years 1 month ago #196062 by Jonathan_S.
Replied by Jonathan_S. on topic Re: Dynafit toe piece lifts
"I measured a significant variance in the space between the thread pitches of a variety of screws. Most of the threads were close in the the pitch angle, but spacing varied. That could be a real problem if I am sorting to find a match to a present hole, like if I stripped the head on a a screw."
-- I just measured a dozen or so random screws pulled from my various bins, and couldn't find any difference in the threads.

"I have a brand new set of Dynafit ST's in a box so I measured the 5th screw head on the Dynafit toe piece to see the difference. I assumed that all the screws were the same head sizes on the toepiece. The 5th screw was only .01 smaller on my calipers, not enough to shake my tree."
-- My fault for insufficient clarity. What I meant was that although all five Dynafit toe screws are identical, and all have that compact head type (similar to the Look/Rossi and Salomon screws that pass through the binding housing), if necessary you can get away with substituting in other head types for all but the center screw. (Just remember that different head types will seat slightly differently, resulting in different ski penetration for a given screw length.)

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15 years 1 month ago #196063 by Jonathan_S.
Replied by Jonathan_S. on topic Re: Dynafit toe piece lifts

Furthermore, there is a rumored aluminum plate close to being produced in order to more professionally solve this problem.

You mean the FT12 add-on that supports the toe wings in a manner similar to the ST10 and Speed?
Otherwise, would seem strange to zero out the delta with a metal plate instead of just a plastic spacer?
Plus anyway who cares that much can just combine a Speed binding with an ST10 toe plate.

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15 years 1 month ago #196099 by steve_f
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^^^

Hi Jonathan, using a speed heel with the ST10 toe sounds like a great idea, especially since I have a few pairs of bindings. Of course assuming I have the heel in a position that will work with the speed heel's smaller adjustment range. Have you had any bad experiences with the speed heel due to the shorter pins and little bump? I don't ski them very often.

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15 years 1 month ago #196103 by Jonathan_S.
Replied by Jonathan_S. on topic Re: Dynafit toe piece lifts
I just meant take an entire Speed binding, but then substitute in an extra set of Vertical ST toe plates (about $10 or so for a pair).

As for Speed heel bump and shorter pins, although the design could lead to lower retention characteristics, personally I've never experienced any problems. (Over the years I've used a mix of Speed, Comfort, and Vertical ST -- supposedly Plum Guide and race bindings are arriving tomorrow!)

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