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15 years 8 months ago #192262 by sukiakiumo
Replied by sukiakiumo on topic Re: Expansion of North Cascades National Park

sukiakiumo, thanks for clearing that up... thank goodness you are a physicist.......I thought your thesis might be" Latin verbosity and its relevance in 21st century blogging."
I can rest easy now. ;D ;D ;D

Ha, yeah. I realized right after I sent that it was exceptionally arrogant and meant to take it out, but i guess its out of the box. Thanks for not beating me with my non level-headedness right there.

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15 years 8 months ago #192263 by PNWBrit
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I have not jumped to conclusion about responsibility the fire....claiming that I "have concluded it wasn't Ubureuaga's fault" (i haven't, as I have been asking for the info)


???

From what I can tell, it was unfortunate follow through with the ordersfrom what happened and is beyond a single persons 'fault'.


Errrrr, if you haven't found or read the report how can you tell? I think you mean "guess"

Free hint: If I were searching for a Yosemite fire report I'd probably search Yosemite fire report as search terms..... and maybe the seventh hit would be an article Stinging NPS report Says Yosemite Officials Were Overconfident About Ability to Manage Big Meadow Fire which probably would have a link to the report?

Just a suggestion.

Good luck with that phd  ::)




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15 years 8 months ago - 15 years 8 months ago #192266 by Scotsman
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Ha, yeah. I realized right after I sent that it was exceptionally arrogant and meant to take it out, but i guess its out of the box. Thanks for not beating me with my non level-headedness right there.


Hey man, if we can't laugh at ourselves at times then it's time to quit.
I admire and respect you ability to take a joke as displayed above no matter our differing views.
Peace

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15 years 8 months ago #192267 by sukiakiumo
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With the information you had provided, I was unable to assign blame as you did. But thanks for the added info, and the well wishes.

In that link it said many of the officials were not trained but in particular:
From the report:
"The Acting
Superintendent was actively involved in the planning of the prescribed fire project, engaged directly
with the Burn Boss, and approved the burn plan and Go‐No‐Go Checklist. The Acting
Superintendent actively participated in the project briefing on the day of ignition. The Acting
Superintendent has limited wildland fire and prescribed fire experience and has not attended the
Fire Management Leadership curriculum."
Man, you're right. I can assign blame now, as someone has done it unbiasedly. Now they know what to fix. It sucks big that a big fire had to happen for them to hopefully change. I too am less impressed with this fellow, now that I have read more than hearsay.
Perhaps, we might actually soon get down to civilized back and forth now ;)

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15 years 8 months ago - 15 years 8 months ago #192269 by PNWBrit
Replied by PNWBrit on topic Re: Expansion of North Cascades National Park

Now they know what to fix......for them to hopefully change.


Instead they move him back to superintend at MRNP.

On the basis that Rainier is less flammable perhaps?

Maybe they marked his personnel file - keep away from naked flames. Next to where they'd marked it - keep away from financial involvement with franchise holders





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15 years 8 months ago #192270 by yammadog
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I would argue that this kind of opportunity can have great social value. I share Scotsman's reaction to the "disneyfication" of parks and have the same contempt for park rangers trying to keep people from getting too far into NPS territory. On the other hand, there is clearly a great demand for RV-touring type use of NP's. As pointed out above, the summer tourists are significant (dominant in some areas of WA) user group with large economic and environmental impacts. They should be managed in the same manner as other, more 'serious', users like you and me. I bet lots of folks that visit the NP's in WA have experiences that are very meaningful to them. I don't feel like it is appropriate for me to dismiss their experiences just because I am not content to look at Mt. Ranier from Paradise. I hope their visits awaken a patriotic sense of duty to take care of the wild places we have just as I hope your riding in the cascades motivates you to take a stewardship role in the treatment of our shared treasure. I understand your desire to not lose opportunities to sled along the HWY 20 corridor; I support you and the heli-skiers, OB, and all the other current users. But to assert that visitor centers and the like serve nobody is dismissive.


Indeed, we have been and will be one of those RV'rs taking our young kids to the woods to learn the importance of many things. I think one of the first early lessons was to pick your trash, and any trash you see, up and take it to the proper place. We are very involved in scouting and value the access to the easy areas for the reasons you state. Thanks for reminding me of the small values of the park systems.

With these discussions, I tend to look at the more extreme restrictions being suggested and overlook the simple. thanks for reminding me....

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