Expansion of North Cascades National Park

• It took less than 2 hours for the controlled burn to get out of control.

• Spot fires began appearing outside the fire lines less than an hour after ignition.

• Ironically one of the goals of the burn was to: “Develop information and outreach strategies that explain the need for prescribed burning in
Yosemite National Park.”

• The fire was to remain east of Crane Creek, south and east of weed‐eater line and north of Old Coulterville Road.

• The Yosemite National Park Superintendent approved the burn plan on May 21, 2008, 3 months prior to the actual ignition date.

• California and the burn area were listed as being in a moderate-severe drought by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

• Several key positions within the Fire Management Team in Yosemite National Park were on temporary or permanent leave or vacant.

• The initial plan was for the fire to burn south-south west across the open grassy area of Big Meadow.

• Winds were recorded burning up-slope (north-north east) less than an hour before the fire was ignited.

• The fire was started in the north east corner of the burn area and jumped behind the fire team.

• One of the goals not met by the prescribed burn: “Manage incident operations in a cost effective and efficient manner.”

What you are doing now with those images of fire, just so you know, is appealing to emotion and using the same scare tactics that you accuse N3C of using. Stepping back, Fires are both necessary and useful but it sounds like it is unfortunate that this controlled burn got out of hand. I do not know the details of this over-run burn, can anyone share a description in a more-unbiased manner?

I assume your comments were directed to me since you refer to my accusations of scaremongering. The fire picture was posted by another person. You should direct your comment to that person, not me.
We've had this discussion before...... more careful  reading comprehension!
At least you are asking questions which is good.
Thanks

I assume your comments were directed to me since you refer to my accusations of scaremongering. The fire picture was posted by another person. You should direct your comment to that person, not me.
We've had this discussion before...... more careful  reading comprehension!
At least you are asking questions which is good.
Thanks

Man scotsman, you are never going to stop slinging the mud, are you. again, Remembering exactly what everybody has said verbatim is not reasonable and I believe more than one person has said similar words. I'm sorry you are incapable of being polite.

I posted some details.

You wanna quit attacking Scottie now?

Edit: I make him look like Miss Manners.

PNWbrit, Thank you for some of the details. Is there anywhere on the web that chronographs this? It seems like fires are part of a comprehensive management policy. From what I can tell, it was unfortunate follow through with the ordersfrom what happened and is beyond a single persons 'fault'. Perhaps it could have been better? I do not know. I'm sure there has been a proper review of this incident, beyond what has been presented. What I am saying is, there is likely more to this story than has been told in this forum.

I would also I ask how I am currently attacking 'Scottie'? For a while I have done my best to level-headedly point out inconsistencies, fallacies, and tactics that some are using.

Man scotsman, you are never going to stop slinging the mud, are you. again, Remembering exactly what everybody has said verbatim is not reasonable and I believe more than one person has said similar words. I'm sorry you are incapable of being polite.

I thought my reply actualy quite polite... you just don't like what it said... sorry!
There's no need to remember the record, it is right in front of you.

Anyhoo this is not about my and your styles, it's too important for that.

How do you feel about having a current NP under the management of the person cited in the Office of inspector general report?
How do you feel about expanding the budget and governance of an organisation that is one of the least respected in the government and is known to have suspect leadership qualitites??

Thanks