WMC Update 2012

WMC

And when I say WMC in this post, I am referring to the user that has the user-name "WMC"...

I AM NOT referring to the Group "Wenatchee Mountains Coalition"

These are simple yes or no answers and I  politely ask that you limit your response to "yes" or "no" to the entire set of 14 questions below.

Thank you.

1)  Is the user connected to the user name "WMC" a distinct person?

2) Are Posts to this thread by the user connected to the user name "WMC", represented in these posts, made by more than one person?

3) Do you belong to any groups that ARE involved in elimination of snowmobile use on ALL public lands not including snowmobile access on public roads?

4) Are you a lawyer doing any Pro-Bono work for any environmental activist groups?

5) Are you a Lobbyist, paid or Pro-Bono,  for any environmental activist groups?

6) Are you employed by the USFS?

7) Are you an official, non compensated, volunteer of the USFS?

8 ) Have you attended any Public Meeting with the USFS for the discussion of your proposal presented in this thread?

9) Are you compensated in any way, monitarily or by other non monitary means for presentation of this proposal of this "Non-motorized" area?

10) Are you employed by any lobby groups that are involved in the proposition or introduction of any legislation that would increase the size of non-motorized designated areas?

11)Does the "Wenatchee Mountains Coalition" conduct formal meetings?

12) Does "Wenatchee Mountains Coalition" have any formal membership roster?

13) Does "Wenatchee Mountains Coalition" have a board of directors?

14) Does "Wenatchee Mountains Coalition" represent more than 10 members ON RECORD?

In the photo you use, WMC, in some of your online presentations... I see an area that is tracked up,Yes...And one that I would immensely enjoy skinning into on my Voile splitboard and dropping some sweet lines in it's depicted state.

My ski touring companions agree with me. I sent them all an email with this very photo. I just called all 6 of them on the phone before posting this.

I TOO enjoy a pristine, untracked area... Who on skis, sled or other baccountry transport doesnt like that...Heck that is what we live for...

There is nothing like making a 1000 vert of graceful linked downhill "S turns" on my snowmobile or snowboard.... But I have to get up pretty early in the morning to get them... I AM willing to get up before dawn to get that.

The areas WMC proposes closed might have similar terrain as that picture and then just on the other side of the ridge would be miles upon miles of wilderness......

WMC: We are sure that compared to snowmobile riders there are many many more Forest users who own at least some snowshoes or a pair of xc skis up to someone like me who has $10k worth of touring ski setups and other gear and $1000 snowmobiles.

I do not contest that there are probably more snowshoes and XC rigs in peoples closets or even in use....

I have 4 sets of snowshoes (2 atlas, 2 MSR) 3 Ski touring rigs, 2 spiltboards (only one favorite) in my garage... I strap the shoes onto my snowmobile often and onto my ABS backpack when boarding/skiing.

I often tour / ride and leave the snowmobile at home... sometimes snow-camping.

Earning my turns is a great thing... There is as much athleticism in my snowmobiling as there is in skinning and touring... And I've toured with some pretty hard core Teli/Rondi/AT people in my life. 

But lets limit this discussion about THIS area to the actual numbers of:

1) Skiers/snowboarders and other non-motorized wintertime users of the area that is the topic of discussion in this thread here.

2) Snowmobilers and other motorized wintertime users of the area that is the topic of discussion in this thread here.

To come to a proper, Democratic, USFS management plan we will need to get this ACCURATE information out there.

I have not seen that in the 24 pages of the TAY thread or on any of these threads.

If I missed it, which is possible, please direct me to that information.

Thank you.

Yammadog...

Are you saying that there is an area adjacent to this area shown in WMC's (again I refer to the user "WMC") Media photo that is off limits to snowmobiles?

How difficult is it for human powered transport to get to this location from parking lots?

Any pics of that non-motor area adjacent to this one in the photo??

CLARA LAKE AREA

I don't know that spot exactly but did a quick search and on the justgetout(Wenatchee outdoors.org) web site, it identifies the Clara lake access for hiking/snowshoeing out of the mission ridge ski area. The slope above the lake are legal riding area per that site.

I've been to the backside of mission ridge from the Reecer and Clockum access and there is some great boondocking down thru the valley but the slope adjacent to the ski area closes out pretty quickly and was cool as a destination, but we didn't stay long as that area wasn't the riding we preferred on that trip.

I'll see if I can find any photo's of the areas or boundary areas in question....

mountainhorse
I do not contest that there are probably more snowshoes and XC rigs in peoples closets or even in use.

But lets limit this discussion about THIS area to the actual numbers of:

1) Skiers/sn....

Yammadog: the numbers are muddy at best. generally they are statewide and don't identify sledders with ski/shoe equipment and certainly not able to filter it down to the area proposed, which is significant. they have also been drifting as you could expect by both sides to match the position.

Sounds like a proposal needs to be formally made to the USFS to ask them to study these numbers over the next season BEFORE any kind of recommendations for Policy can be made... in a public forum.

An unbiased determination can only be made by the USFS in a management plan that "promotes parity" if the numbers of users in the different groups are determined first...The users, and not just the vocal ones, should be represented accurately.