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Great trip report and photos gang.
Ron, you promised you would never take anyone else on the "super double-omega secret route to the goods". It's a guy thing !
Ron, you promised you would never take anyone else on the "super double-omega secret route to the goods". It's a guy thing !
Chris, I think that was someone else - the only tracks I put in Silver Basin were going downhill, but I'll be happy to accept your chocolate next time I see you!
JD:
The hulking tattooed man from Seattle requested that I pass on the following sage advice regarding our elder-care day in the Tatoosh:
"Who gives a damn about vertical? The transitions are the foundation. If you don't have your transitions down, you'll never get the big numbers in the vertical. We had our transitions down. Thus we were able to push to 1700 vertical, where as otherwise, without the transitions, we'd have had less than half that, even maybe less still.&...
The hulking tattooed man from Seattle requested that I pass on the following sage advice regarding our elder-care day in the Tatoosh:
"Who gives a damn about vertical? The transitions are the foundation. If you don't have your transitions down, you'll never get the big numbers in the vertical. We had our transitions down. Thus we were able to push to 1700 vertical, where as otherwise, without the transitions, we'd have had less than half that, even maybe less still.&...
Way to get the TR and pics up in a timely manner, Jibber; High Five.
Yeah, we certainly had our way with that gulley:

Here's the Jibber in a magazine pose:
Yeah, we certainly had our way with that gulley:
Here's the Jibber in a magazine pose:
But the real question of the day is "How fast were the transitions?" Had you known better you could have joined your elders for a more civilized turn-fest.
Hi GregL,
I think I used your skin track up silver basin. I was lapping from the lifts but had my skins with me so couldn't resist another lap. Nice skin track, thanks and sorry I had no chocolate( someone in your group said I had to pay the trail breaker with choclate) ;D
I think I used your skin track up silver basin. I was lapping from the lifts but had my skins with me so couldn't resist another lap. Nice skin track, thanks and sorry I had no chocolate( someone in your group said I had to pay the trail breaker with choclate) ;D
There has definitly been a lot of active wind activity this winter, especially during February and March, resulting in crusts and loading.
We skiied the southern aspects of Skyline Ridge Saturday, finding some rotten and very unstable, but shallow, layers clearly as a result of the recent warm weather and probably rain. Much of it hadn't refrozen in the more recent cold weather.
We set off some slow wet slides in one area in particular, that has slid almost every time I've skiied...
We skiied the southern aspects of Skyline Ridge Saturday, finding some rotten and very unstable, but shallow, layers clearly as a result of the recent warm weather and probably rain. Much of it hadn't refrozen in the more recent cold weather.
We set off some slow wet slides in one area in particular, that has slid almost every time I've skiied...
Well then, I think you mean the top of Skyline (sometimes called Heather) Ridge. That big bald hill to the west is generally called Tye Peak. My previous comments refer to that one. No real name to drainage separating the two. I call it south fork of Nason Creek.
We were just a few miles down the road, and at least where we were, there was indeed some nice snow above 5K, though "fairly light/unconsolidated" would be a relative term. We found fairly good snow for making snowmen at that elevation. Below 5K we found a wet-ish new snow layer that liked to slide on anything over about 35 degrees, often forming big pinwheels. Still, some fun turns except below 3.5K (where things got pretty rotten), especially with a little "water skiing" te...
Glad to help, Nick. I should clarify the location a bit. This is not the face that leads down into the Tye lake basin. It is the NW face off peak 5476 that leads down to the Nason creek drainage. The face above Tye lake had some tracks on it yesterday, but I can't say how old they were.
I think I saw you two, plus a solo guy as I was getting to the top of pineapple pass. I was following an existing skin path set by two before me. I ended up skiing F$#! Bowl then skinning/booting up Bryant Peak and descending via the couloir between Bryant and Hemlock. Had similar snow. Between 5800 and 4800 snow was 6-10" of fairly light/unconsolidated on most exposures. Some shallow windslabs near ridges. But below 4800 became variable, and below 4000 was pur...
Thanks for info Pat. I was thinking of visiting this slope tomorrow but will revise plans. We have had a lot of east winds in last few months. Tye Peak gets heavily loaded on SE aspect and is bare for a reason. That steep NW is often stable but the east winds can funnel through the Nason drainage. I have seen large amounts of debris on the NW slope over the years. All aspects of that hill require lots of respect. NWAC and this site have mentioned bad layers in isolated areas where close by it mi...
, it was straight-up tiring to ski through the skied-out sections encountered as we worked our way down the Trash Can. In all honesty, it was not as much fun as one would hope for on such an outing.I thought that was the most fun part of the day! ;)
Here's Skip skiin' down from Pineapple Pass (cliffs of "The Tooth" in background)
Sounds like we all had a great day out there.
My partner and I saw much the same, skinning out through Bear Gap, up to Pickhandle Point where we skied the SW face in about 6-8" of heavier powder on mostly supportive crust. It was a bit grabby in the open on the S to SW face we skied. There was some avy debris there as well, but no complaints for April 1st. We also had a small 6-10" deep sluff run for about 100 ft before it stopped in some trees.
We headed around the back...
My partner and I saw much the same, skinning out through Bear Gap, up to Pickhandle Point where we skied the SW face in about 6-8" of heavier powder on mostly supportive crust. It was a bit grabby in the open on the S to SW face we skied. There was some avy debris there as well, but no complaints for April 1st. We also had a small 6-10" deep sluff run for about 100 ft before it stopped in some trees.
We headed around the back...
Similar conditions where we skied - down the back of Silver King to Crystal Lakes there was about 6" of fresh on a soft-frozen bed of crust and avy debris but still great turns. We skinned up Crystal Peak, then around the back (west) side of the cirque where we saw a mountain goat family on the side of Point 6706 . . . earlier in the day we had seen goat tracks (but no goats) at the entrance to the Goat Chutes in the far Northback.
We were in Cement Basin today and had the slopes to ourselves. Signs of one or two other parties more toward Norse Peak. Conditions were pretty much as you described with 6-10" on a firm base which made for some fun, fast skiing. Did four 1500' runs into the basin, then a nice 2000' run down from Houser Peak back to the ski area. We were surprised that the snow quality held up all day on that S facing slope. Visibility was better than expected locally, although couldn't see much beyond...
Nice pics. That was my first time riding Granite. The approach was pretty easy, on wide trail. From up on top there appeared to be a lot of good looking faces high on the surrounding mountains, particularly this year. The snow was good on top, but got pretty heavy down low where it slid. After the main slid, we had several small wet slides break as we worked carefully to safer terrain.
Nice trip JW. I do remember the exceptional tree skiing there but that was a few years ago and those trees may now be considered "old growth". Zap
Way cool.
Maybe we should make that another annual Wild Hearts event??
Maybe we should make that another annual Wild Hearts event??
did you all get a chance for a closer look at the "boot up" to the upper bowl this time?
Yeah, Michael, we got real close to it, but the sweet snow below was beckoning like a siren. I think we could have skinned into the upper bowl from the top of our climb. We also refined the route to make the approach much more straightforward and less time consuming. Shoot me your addy, if you like, and I'll send you a map of out track.
did you all get a chance for a closer look at the "boot up" to the upper bowl this time?
Thanks for posting those great pics DB. You have a nice view from your place! Reminds me of when I had my wife watch me ski the chute through a telescope on the deck of my in laws cabin at Lake Cushman. I can envision several descent options looking at that pic, other than the two I've always done. Look at all that snow!
Turned out that the death cookies were not as hard as they looked as this "death cookie buster"
(MadDog) demonstrates.
More pics posted HERE.
(MadDog) demonstrates.
More pics posted HERE.
Thanks for the info about the ladybugs. I've seen other insect swarms at mountain tops before. Very cool phenomenon.
Thanks too, for the picture of Hawkins. I skied there with Pico a few years ago, but it was very cloudy and I had no idea of what I was on. Now I see that we were on the central ridge leading up to the left summit, but got a little right on the way down, ended up doing a bit of contouring to get out. Lots of skiable terrain there, though.
Thanks too, for the picture of Hawkins. I skied there with Pico a few years ago, but it was very cloudy and I had no idea of what I was on. Now I see that we were on the central ridge leading up to the left summit, but got a little right on the way down, ended up doing a bit of contouring to get out. Lots of skiable terrain there, though.
Very nice JW and Jenn! I outta ski there sometime 8)
Nice video J. Looks like you and Jen had a great time.
It was a great day. You just had to know where to find the good snow ;D.
Today my wife accompanied me back to Mt. Lillian. We had a great lunch on the 6191' summit with great views despite the high overcast. The southerly ridge had nice corn at a moderate angle for 1k falline half on an open ridge and half through open forest with big old Doug firs and Tamaracks. My wife skied very well on her K2 Summit Superlight 8611 skis. She said that she enjoyed the tour.
It was more than 10 degrees colder today, so the snow was set up nicely.
It is a 10 mile road...
It was more than 10 degrees colder today, so the snow was set up nicely.
It is a 10 mile road...
I took this picture through a scope from our house in Shelton Saturday morning. Tons of snow up there. Look how plastered the trees on the summer trail side are.

Note the gully to the right (skier's left) of the normal Winter route. Looks fun!
Also took this picture of something that looks interesting this year. Can you guess what it is?

Note the gully to the right (skier's left) of the normal Winter route. Looks fun!
Also took this picture of something that looks interesting this year. Can you guess what it is?
Hi JW,
Looks like you had a great time! I absolutely love Big Mountain. Thanks for sharing.
Looks like you had a great time! I absolutely love Big Mountain. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, interesting timing of "Lillian" posts.
Hey Randonee, we should have joined up and headed for the same Lillian! Thanks for the snowpack info.
Ross,
Looks like you had a great trip. Last year, we had a week at Valkyr with very little new but there is so much terrain around the hut with various aspects that it was still fun. Great photos.
Looks like you had a great trip. Last year, we had a week at Valkyr with very little new but there is so much terrain around the hut with various aspects that it was still fun. Great photos.
I enjoyed your trip report from Keiths hut. Spring skiing at the hut can be wonderful. I look forward to your return trip.
Cheers to you guys for heading up on Ellinor. I'm planning to ski it when more of the road melts out. I've skied the 'chute' a couple times, but the last few times I've been hitting the open slope where the summer trail goes. From the top basically follow the summer trail and then work through the woods. Glad to hear you guys know what's up and were cautious! Yikes!
Take care.
Take care.
bc_skier:
Thanks for the pix. I'm not sure mine would do any better justice to Wasilla's backyard playpen! I only wish that I'd had a tour group and my rando gear. But, skinny skis got me far enough to take a nice look!
Thanks for the pix. I'm not sure mine would do any better justice to Wasilla's backyard playpen! I only wish that I'd had a tour group and my rando gear. But, skinny skis got me far enough to take a nice look!
For how hard that young female boarder hit me at Central's park, its doing okay. The gash has scabbed over but the gnarly bruise remains. What bothers me the most is the fact that she took off so fast without offering help or a simple sorry. I had to chase her down for it. She talked like a dude, wonder if she can take a hit like one. >:(
But then I got this photo of Donovan...

But then I got this photo of Donovan...

Memories from the 80's...Here is a shot from 'April Bowl', we've seen great powder well into April.

Early days of Hatcher Pass Lodge

Independence Mine


Early days of Hatcher Pass Lodge

Independence Mine

Question: what on earth was that super-unconsolidated stuff, and has anyone seen it? It seemed very localized but a point release of that would have been muy malo.
We had some on big four a few weeks ago but it only lasted for a short stretch. Dangerous stuff. Fortunately it was very localized. Not something I see very often and try to avoid when I do see it.
Nice report Telemack, now if you could only figure out how to post the pictures you took, we could share our adventure in glorious color with these nice folks. ???
You need to cast aside your luddite tendencies and learn to post those pictures. ;D
Great day, strange snow in the pit. I told the guys who I was skiing with on Sunday about my "graupel layer" and they looked like I was smoking the "wacky baccy" again.
Anybody else ever come across such a deep layer of gra...
You need to cast aside your luddite tendencies and learn to post those pictures. ;D
Great day, strange snow in the pit. I told the guys who I was skiing with on Sunday about my "graupel layer" and they looked like I was smoking the "wacky baccy" again.
Anybody else ever come across such a deep layer of gra...
From the look on their faces, I missed out on a good day! Hope the ole' knee is doin better. Whats on the plate for Saturday?
the back bowl is often a consolation prize, but it is quite a reward in itself.
the back bowl is often a consolation prize, but it is quite a reward in itself.
Yodelin is sweet, though lower than the Pass so heavy at times. I have a soft heart for it too, cuz my wife and I skied there in '90 on an anniversary in December. the clearings only had little bitty saplings. Since we were staying at The Bush House in Index, we returened to the Lower Town Wall and I got to BC ski and climb granite in the same day....
Hi Greg,
It sounds like you're having a good time. While visiting friends in Wasilla a few years ago, I spent a long afternoon exploring the Hatcher Pass area. It's a fantastic location! Great views and some surprisingly dramatic features for being so close to town as I recall. I nearly ripped off the drive shaft on my I-agree-not-to-drive-off-pavement rental car getting up there, but that's neither here nor there.
I was there in July and there wasn't a pat...
It sounds like you're having a good time. While visiting friends in Wasilla a few years ago, I spent a long afternoon exploring the Hatcher Pass area. It's a fantastic location! Great views and some surprisingly dramatic features for being so close to town as I recall. I nearly ripped off the drive shaft on my I-agree-not-to-drive-off-pavement rental car getting up there, but that's neither here nor there.
I was there in July and there wasn't a pat...
I've got the goods for ya ;) See ya tonight at the Mountaineers
