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Your Welcome. Pretty good timing for a BC taxi to come by.

Boot

1/14/08 2:25pm

Randito

Jan 13, 2008, Schilt; Switzerland

Steven's expansion plans include building new parking lots (not garages) in the summit area.

http://www.stevenspass.com/Stevens/SiteAssets/files/the-mountain/MDP_Fig4-14_Proposed-BaseArea(100).pdf

1/14/08 1:15pm

telemack

From Kiwiland to Schweiss-world in one season!

1/14/08 1:12pm

Teleskichica

Jan 13, 2008, Schilt; Switzerland

Just say you miss us and we might feel bad enough to ski with you again at the "real Alp" when you get tired of those Alps. ::)

1/14/08 12:01pm

kam

Jan 13, 2008, Schilt; Switzerland

hey, Wipe! i thought you were going to stop by Richmond, VA, for some ski mountaineering? what am i, chopped liver? we had plans to bag the highest point in my neighborhood, remember, the 288 overpass? some friend you are. switz --- sssshmitz. sheesh.

1/14/08 11:30am

BrianLee

Jan 12: Kendall Knobb - Chewy like taffy.

I can understand your frustration, but it is a Stevens Pass controlled property, therefore they owe you nothing. As for said employee, I am not surprised he was skimming a little off the top. Opportunistic Genious or Filthy Bastard? I guess that depends on your perspective. Most area emplyees and people who live up in the mountains generally hate seeing all the people from "the west side" coming up to "their" mountains, and usually will happily screw anyone from the city that...

1/14/08 10:17am

Charlie Hagedorn

Depth Hoar has radically different structure and mechanical failure modes from Surface Hoar. Check it out! (in fact, check out the whole page if you've never seen it, it contains large chunks, but not all of, Bruce Tremper's informative avalanche text.

Edit: In fact, if you find the page informative, go grab his book! I've...

1/14/08 9:47am

Nate Frederickson

Jan 12: Kendall Knobb - Chewy like taffy.

I wouldn't worry too much about it, as long people understand what you're telling them. I thought you were pretty clear. I have no problem calling surface hoar depth hoar once it's buried. That way you don't have to say "surface hoar that got buried".
sorry if I'm getting remedial, but my laypersons understanding is that: Hoar frost can form anywhere in the snowpack where there is a high temperature gradient, and where there is space for...

1/14/08 8:20am

Jerm

author=jcocci link=topic=8799.msg35349#msg35349 date=1200342768]
I was a passholder that year. What I am implying and sorry if this isn't the place for this and I am not trying to badmouth anyone here, but I don't feel I was treated poorly. Stevens season pass holders got more that year than Crystal pass holders, which was nothing. Was I bummed that Stevens didn't do more for the pass holders, of course I was, but buying a seasons pass is a gamb...

1/14/08 7:14am

Kyle Miller

January 6, 2008, Crystal BC, View From My Head

Thanks for the ride back to the blvd you saved us quite some time

1/14/08 6:32am

skierguitarist

Thanks for the locations. I've got to get back up there again. "Beacon/bacon" yada yada,...somebody caught a spelling error...my bad.

1/14/08 6:14am

Marcus

I think Nate has it right, that the lot is owned/maintained by Stevens Pass. Of course, he and I may just be perpetuating our own guesses, I suppose, but I'm pretty sure that building is an employee lodge.

Regardless, taking money for the last few spots? That's some opportunistic genius, right there. I'm glad you salvaged some goods from the day though... Were you able to pick out a line straight down to your car, or did you have to do the parkin...

1/14/08 6:01am

Nate R

I don't have anything to back this up, so I apologize if I'm way out in left field, but I thought the building there was a Stevens employee lodge? Seems like I occasionally see Stevens employees roaming in and out of it. I would assume then that the whole lot belongs to Stevens in some form or another. I always thought the upper lot was employee parking, as well, although I have noticed a lot of backcountry skiers parking up there, so maybe I made that up. Anyw...

1/14/08 5:20am

md2020

January 13, 2008, Snoqualmie Pass

author=savegondor link=topic=8799.msg35351#msg35351 date=1200343154]
Consider this:

Stevens Pass may likely expand soon. Public pressure should be put on them to develop more parking for resort skiers. And probably this will mean an expensive investment in a parking garage for Stevens. It will take a lot of public pressure, but I would say that any further expansion at Stevens needs to include a comprehensive land use and parking plan.

1/14/08 5:11am

Seth

We found similar conditions where we were at the pass. It was suprisingly good skiing above 4000ft. Both on N and S facing slopes. The sunshine didn't hurt the enjoyment factor either.

Most areas above 4,000ft were wind buffed. Hand pits at both 4,400ft and 5,000ft on NNW facing slopes (~30-35degrees) found 3 distict layers in the top 2-3 feet of snow. The first layer was 4" deep. The second layer was ~12" deeper. The third laye...

1/14/08 4:39am

savegondor

Consider this:

Stevens Pass may likely expand soon. Public pressure should be put on them to develop more parking for resort skiers. And probably this will mean an expensive investment in a parking garage for Stevens. It will take a lot of public pressure, but I would say that any further expansion at Stevens needs to include a comprehensive land use and parking plan.

I too ski BC primarily and other users do have some rights up at Stevens. We need t...

1/14/08 4:33am

FreeBasin

Yes, at least we got some great turns in. That made me not so furious. I linked up 3 big powder turns that made the whole day worth it.....parking, traffic, gorilla lifty and my buddy hitch-hiking can take that away.

1/14/08 4:32am

jcocci

author=Tophervw link=topic=8799.msg35347#msg35347 date=1200341796]
A food credit comes to memory...

I was a passholder that year. What I am implying and sorry if this isn't the place for this and I am not trying to badmouth anyone here, but I don't feel I was treated poorly. Stevens season pass holders got more that year than Crystal pass holders, which was nothing. Was I bummed that Stevens didn't do more for the...

1/14/08 4:24am

jpLingo

We were in the other car that was going to meet you guys for the trip. If you thought the parking was bad you should have witnessed breakfast. After seeing that fiasco at Stevens we wound up going into the Jove peak area and getting some great turns.

Glad you were able to do the same.

1/14/08 4:16am

Tophervw

A food credit comes to memory...

1/14/08 4:12am

Boot

Joe,
Kudos to you and TAY. It was your report with Colleen's info that led me to contact her and I will definitely get back to her and Gary Ward; wanted to tag a pic to the message though. It will be a sad day when they close it, so for now were are happy to get the days we can there. OBTW, slog is an understatement. It was one of the most tireing days ever, but incredibly rewarding.
Boot

1/14/08 4:04am

Joedabaker

author=Boot link=topic=8798.msg35334#msg35334 date=1200336501]
The Snow-Park was in great shape. It took some prodding, but I've gotten good responses from the DOT Supervisor there and Colleen Maguire, the Special Assist at the Snow-Parks office.

Colleen emailed me that they were a little slow getting it going down there. We had a meeting with them this summer and they were maybe planning on closing that snopark due to lack...

1/14/08 3:43am

jcocci

author=Jerm link=topic=8799.msg35325#msg35325 date=1200333008]
Wow, I gave up on Stevens after the treatment they gave their 05-06 "season" passholders. These sorts of rumors certainly wont win me back ... and the return traffic on 2 is the final nail in the coffin.

What kind of "treatment" did their pass holders receive?

1/14/08 3:15am

Tophervw

Thanks Don! A little redemption from the 1st series of pics Dan posted of me! A truly amazing day in the hills!

1/14/08 3:00am

danengel

Wow! Great shot Don! Send more, send more!!!

It was good to meet you guys too!

1/14/08 2:48am

Boot

Yeah Joe, we came up the first gladed "chute" past the creek with the water-fall, which also looks like a fun run, but a little too crazy yesterday. The Snow-Park was in great shape. It took some prodding, but I've gotten good responses from the DOT Supervisor there and Colleen Maguire, the Special Assist at the Snow-Parks office. As usual the road is pretty hairy and there are downed trees that required some work; always an adventure :) !

1/14/08 2:47am

FreeBasin

Exactly my questions. Who plows the lot? Who has the "right" to it? Should back country skiers be given precedence if it is a Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie Forest lot? (That would be the day!) Step aside! Free-heeler commin thru 8)!

1/14/08 2:43am

juan

Combine the fact that the ski area controls all the lots up there, and that WSDOT wont let you park at the ventilator anymore, and the options for bc skiing parking is severely l,imited up there. they should have to maintain spaces for non-ski area users in the lot across the street from the area (heather ridge) and the upper lot at Yodelin.

1/14/08 2:38am

bc_skier

Dan, Andy & Chris,

It was great to run into you guys....

Here is one photo to start and more will be on the way when I have time.

Don

1/14/08 2:00am

ajjenkin

These types of "problems" really grab my interest. I wonder if Stevens has a right to that lot. Does it fall into their permit area? Who plows it? If they pay for the plowing, then they should have some rights to it. A vdeo of that guy turning some away and taking cash from others (not to mention pounding on your truck) would have been the perfect weapon in this case.

1/14/08 1:57am

loom

Well actually one or two of those days were on skinny skis, not board. But, I'm probably even more sore from learning how to ride on those little buggers. It was fun, I might be a convert.

1/14/08 1:57am

Salal

Nice work Boot!!

1/14/08 1:54am

Salal

Wow a report from last year ;) It was a zoo everywhere yesterday

1/14/08 1:50am

Jerm

Wow, I gave up on Stevens after the treatment they gave their 05-06 "season" passholders. These sorts of rumors certainly wont win me back ... and the return traffic on 2 is the final nail in the coffin.

1/14/08 1:15am

Joedabaker

From the looks of your skin track it appears that you climbed up the drainage on the SE side of the Fryingpan trail?
Those chutes on the SW side of Tamanos look like they are starting to fill in for your return trip. Nice that they finally plowed the Snopark at the bottom of the access road, did you use it?
Good to see you got out safe.
Joe

1/14/08 1:15am

danengel

January 13, 2008, Snoqualmie Pass

Wow, 6 out of the last 7 days on the board! That's pretty good. We will go up there again very soon! Maybe an overnighter...

1/14/08 1:08am

RonL

It was a beautiful morning up there. I thought the snow above 4k was pretty fun still, the tree skiing below that was challenging. In the transition between 4k and higher the snow was kind weird. It was squishing more than compacting. I wondered if there were going to be wet slides later in the day on sun exposed stuff. I ski cut and skied some small 30 degrees plus slopes and all was well in the Kendall area.

1/14/08 12:51am

loom

Argh! wish I could've been out with you guys - looks like it was amazing. If only I wasn't so sore from riding 6 out of 7 days that I felt like all I could do is catch up on work yesterday.

1/13/08 11:38pm

Pete A

nice job!

i need to get me a snowmobile.... :)

1/13/08 11:23pm

Tophervw

That was a stablity test Dan. I had to check if snow would fracture off my beard when wind loaded. Turns out it just sluffed right off, no danger there! ;D

1/13/08 11:13pm

John Morrow

Hello,
How far can you drive? Have there been any changes?
Thanks,
John

1/13/08 10:53pm

jcocci

Jan 11, 2008, Heather Ridge

Wow I haven't seen Stevens that busy in a long time. That's just too many people on the hill. I would definitely write a letter to Stevens Pass. I'd be curious as to their reply.

1/13/08 2:26pm

jcocci

I'd be down for a Baker trip as well, been too long since I've been up.

1/13/08 2:17pm

Snow Bell

It was good to see you too Dan.
You sure did pick a good day. Castle looked like money. Good choice. I'll see you over there next time.

1/13/08 1:20pm

Teleskichica