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12 years 3 months ago #210885
by Randito
Replied by Randito on topic Re: Comment on Airbags in the PNW
I own a BCA Float 32, but I firmly believe that airbag packs carry a risk of that the wearer will ski slopes and conditions that they would otherwise avoid. Getting smacked into a tree or carried over cliff by an avalanche is bad news airbag or not.
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12 years 3 months ago #210886
by aaron_wright
Replied by aaron_wright on topic Re: Comment on Airbags in the PNW
If people are really that worried about snow stability maybe they should choose another day or different terrain, it seems that an airbag helps people justify poor choices. Maybe learn more about terrain selection and snow conditions? How about using some self restraint?
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12 years 3 months ago #210900
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Replied by chuck on topic Re: Comment on Airbags in the PNW
Aaron, I'm guessing people said the same thing when avy beacons started showing up. I'm also very sure that many people gear up (beacon, shovel, probe), feel like they have increased their safety level such that they can take greater risks and duck the rope. It is today's untrained human response to technology. The same is probably true of helmets.
The trick is to figure out how these tools can be incorporated into your system such that you continue to make calculated decisions while increasing your odds of survival when you come up wrong. For all one's experience, ascending & descending skills, awareness of the human element and attentiveness to weather & terrain we all know we will come up wrong at some point. It what happens next that is up for grabs.
Helmets enable us to keep or quickly return to consciousness when we clip a tree. Descending skills allow us to hit the tiny safe window and ski out of the building torrent. Beacons, shovel and probes allow us a small chance to recover alive our mistaken, buried friends. Air bags further allow us a small chance to billow up on top of the roil. They don't mean that once on top you won't get ripped apart but for some set of run outs, they might keep you safe after you've been very wrong.
The trick is to figure out how these tools can be incorporated into your system such that you continue to make calculated decisions while increasing your odds of survival when you come up wrong. For all one's experience, ascending & descending skills, awareness of the human element and attentiveness to weather & terrain we all know we will come up wrong at some point. It what happens next that is up for grabs.
Helmets enable us to keep or quickly return to consciousness when we clip a tree. Descending skills allow us to hit the tiny safe window and ski out of the building torrent. Beacons, shovel and probes allow us a small chance to recover alive our mistaken, buried friends. Air bags further allow us a small chance to billow up on top of the roil. They don't mean that once on top you won't get ripped apart but for some set of run outs, they might keep you safe after you've been very wrong.
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12 years 3 months ago #210901
by Randito
Replied by Randito on topic Re: Comment on Airbags in the PNW
I liken my airbag pack to the airbag in my car. It's a great thing to have when something bad happens -- but don't drive like it doesn't matter if you crash.
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12 years 3 months ago #210902
by aaron_wright
Replied by aaron_wright on topic Re: Comment on Airbags in the PNW
Chuck, IMHO an airbag and a transceiver aren't the same at all. Despite anecdotal experience a transceiver could be considered as mostly a tool for recovery. An airbag gives you that cushion, "oh, I'm not sure about this slope but I've got my airbag so I'll ski it anyway." I heard many rational folks that I personally know say after the Tunnel Creek slide that it seems like a good idea to buy an airbag. I really didn't hear many folks talk about backing off, better terrain selection and safe travel practices. Most folks seem to hear and accept the message that "bc skiing is dangerous and unpredictable so I should get an airbag". Why don't/can't people use a little self restraint and discipline?
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12 years 3 months ago #210903
by aaron_wright
Replied by aaron_wright on topic Re: Comment on Airbags in the PNW
That kind of contradicts what you believe most people do.I liken my airbag pack to the airbag in my car. It's a great thing to have when something bad happens -- but don't drive like it doesn't matter if you crash.
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