Snowmobilers and wilderness

Thank goodness they don't allow motors in the east coast back country!! I'm sorry, but it is a riot watching you folks from the PNW whine. You can have all the peace you want if you buy it like Ted Turner did.  Maybe I'll change my tune when I move out there this winter----but I doubt it.

Thank goodness they don't allow motors in the east coast back country!! I'm sorry, but it is a riot watching you folks from the PNW whine. You can have all the peace you want if you buy it like Ted Turner did.  Maybe I'll change my tune when I move out there this winter----but I doubt it.

Wooley -- you don't know what you are talking about -- Tuckermans Ravine isn't in a Wilderness area -- looking at boundaries of Wilderness areas in NH -- it would appear that Tuckermans and Mt Washington were excluded from wilderness protection.

I would guess that areas adjacent to Tuckerman's that lie within the "Presidential Range-Dry River Wilderness" and "Great Gulf Wilderness" recieve a tiny fraction of human activity compared to Tuckermans.

For me the issue of sled incursions into the Alpine Lakes Wilderness and other wildernes areas less about how it effects skiing. It is about protecting the wilderness and wildlife populations. Snow compaction, noise pollution, tree damage, etc from sleds effect wildlife populations. If incursions by sleds are tolerated by the forest service -- what is next ? Helicopter skiing ? Sled assisted mining ?

Wooley -- you don't know what you are talking about --

Well, you are probably right about that.

Remember, some peoples idea of "wilderness" would exclude people on foot. It just always amazes this easterner that with millions of acres of untouched forest that the folks out west cry because they heard a plane fly overhead. I used to hate the smell of sh*t until I worked one summer for the sanitation department. Now I can tolerate it. Peace.

Thank goodness they don't allow motors in the east coast back country!! I'm sorry, but it is a riot watching you folks from the PNW whine. You can have all the peace you want if you buy it like Ted Turner did.  Maybe I'll change my tune when I move out there this winter----but I doubt it.

bro, don't know if your post was tongue in cheek, or not, but 98+% of that ain't gonna fly out here.  look me up when you get close.  maybe a good sam will start a "get wooley dialed in" thread.      respectfully

Thanks for cluing me into the local 'tude, dude.

Wooley One, I spent many years skiing the East, Colorado, and now here in the Pacific Northwet.  Each area has its limitations, challenges, and wackos.  The sledder issue here is a big deal that needs to be dealt with so both skiers and sledders can stop sniping at each other and get back to having fun.  This gets more complicated since many skiers use sleds to access the FS roads that stretch for miles but don't get plowed.  Other skiers are longtime Wilderness advocates and place great value on quiet and un-trammeled landscapes.  Then there are the sledders that have amazing machines that are tons of fun to ride in many of the places prized by skiers and have a huge possible range of travel.  They are all out to have fun in a landscape that is considerably steeper, more complicated, and in many ways, more confining that either the mountains of the Northeast, or the Rockies.  The goods with relatively easy access as is the norm in the NE or Colorado for winter trail users of all stripes, are less available out here.  Enjoy the differences in the ski culture...

... and the snowwwwww!

ps - irony is lost on most of the inhabitants out this way, a shame!