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How do you deal with rain depression?
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15 years 1 month ago #196653
by Jim Oker
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Cross training (hiking, long local walks, sea kayaking...), finally getting to some home projects, cooking great meals, visiting with non-skiing friends, trying to mostly ignore the deplorable state of the weather by not obsessively checking the latest (which I often fail at), wasting time posting on the internet...
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15 years 1 month ago #196657
by Amar Andalkar
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I always remind myself that occasional soaking winter rains are an essential ingredient of a stable maritime snowpack. If we're going to enjoy the season-long benefits of such a snowpack (freedom from lingering deep instabilities, peace of mind, 10-20 ft snow depths, skiing year-round), we have to endure and even welcome the rain. A few good Pineapple Expresses are an inseparable part of that equation, and very bad things happen if they are missing.
The last La Nina winter (2007-2008), it stayed unusually and consistently cold throughout the winter, without any such heavy soaking winter rains. This caused lingering deep instabilities from an early season crust and hoar layer, which produced the type of fear and unease more typical of continental snowpacks like Colorado. Most notably at Whistler with their season-long battle against destructive avalanches, but also throughout the North Cascades as evidenced by a scary spring climax avalanche cycle after Hwy 20 opened. A good Pineapple Express with heavy soaking rain in early winter could perhaps have destroyed the buried hoar layer which caused all the trouble.
In addition, the snowpack above 7000 ft was very mediocre in 2007-2008 -- despite 947" of snowfall at Paradise (140% of normal), the crevassed glaciers on the upper slopes of Mount Rainier never filled-in properly. The consistently cold temps and absence of major Pineapple Expresses prevented adequate snowfall at those higher elevations. The high-alpine snowpack was average or even below-normal throughout the Cascades, even though it was an epic season at ski area elevations (such as 590" of snowfall at Snoqualmie Pass).
So I'm thankful that it's absolutely dumping snow up high this week. Precip totals at various sites in the Cascades have been 10-16" during the last 4 days since Jan12, so at least 8-12 ft of snow has fallen above 6000-8000 ft. We'll be able to enjoy that snow and that snowpack, soon enough.
And despite no hint of such a shift yet in current 7-10 day forecasts, it is certain that the weather will soon shift to a much colder and wetter pattern. There will be extended periods of sustained snowfall at low snow levels this winter. The effects of the ongoing La Nina will become more evident as we move to mid-winter, since often February and March are months of huge snowfall in such seasons.
Perhaps I'm just too logical, and not overly worried by a few days of rain . . .
The last La Nina winter (2007-2008), it stayed unusually and consistently cold throughout the winter, without any such heavy soaking winter rains. This caused lingering deep instabilities from an early season crust and hoar layer, which produced the type of fear and unease more typical of continental snowpacks like Colorado. Most notably at Whistler with their season-long battle against destructive avalanches, but also throughout the North Cascades as evidenced by a scary spring climax avalanche cycle after Hwy 20 opened. A good Pineapple Express with heavy soaking rain in early winter could perhaps have destroyed the buried hoar layer which caused all the trouble.
In addition, the snowpack above 7000 ft was very mediocre in 2007-2008 -- despite 947" of snowfall at Paradise (140% of normal), the crevassed glaciers on the upper slopes of Mount Rainier never filled-in properly. The consistently cold temps and absence of major Pineapple Expresses prevented adequate snowfall at those higher elevations. The high-alpine snowpack was average or even below-normal throughout the Cascades, even though it was an epic season at ski area elevations (such as 590" of snowfall at Snoqualmie Pass).
So I'm thankful that it's absolutely dumping snow up high this week. Precip totals at various sites in the Cascades have been 10-16" during the last 4 days since Jan12, so at least 8-12 ft of snow has fallen above 6000-8000 ft. We'll be able to enjoy that snow and that snowpack, soon enough.
And despite no hint of such a shift yet in current 7-10 day forecasts, it is certain that the weather will soon shift to a much colder and wetter pattern. There will be extended periods of sustained snowfall at low snow levels this winter. The effects of the ongoing La Nina will become more evident as we move to mid-winter, since often February and March are months of huge snowfall in such seasons.
Perhaps I'm just too logical, and not overly worried by a few days of rain . . .
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15 years 1 month ago #196668
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Replied by Boot on topic Re: How do you deal with rain depression?
Thanks Amar, I needed that!
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15 years 1 month ago #196669
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I'm with Amar. Not only does it do me no good to fret, but it's true that elevation bands for heavy snowfall are somewhat limited in extent. Heavy snow at ski resort elevation doesn't necessarily make for heavy snow on the glaciers where we ski during summer. Maximum snow depth as far as I can tell in a typical year is somewhere around 7500 feet on Baker (I'm happy to be corrected about this, since it's no more than a wild guess based on casual observation), after which it drops off rapidly. Probably the same on Rainier. Major rain events can pile up much-needed snow in the high country, contributing to much-needed glacial mass and summer skiing in one fell swoop.
As to whether we'll have a stupendous snow year after all, well....we've done pretty damn well so far, and it's only mid-January.
Besides, I've had other stuff to take care of, and could do without the distractions.
Mark
As to whether we'll have a stupendous snow year after all, well....we've done pretty damn well so far, and it's only mid-January.
Besides, I've had other stuff to take care of, and could do without the distractions.
Mark
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15 years 1 month ago #196672
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Replied by Snowolf on topic Re: How do you deal with rain depression?
Drive to Montana?
Lost Trail pass has 28 degrees and 4 inches of fresh.
Lost Trail pass has 28 degrees and 4 inches of fresh.
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15 years 1 month ago #196687
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Replied by alpentalcorey on topic Re: How do you deal with rain depression?
This may end up being a good way to deal with it:
Monday Night...Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Snow level 2000 feet. West wind in the passes 15 to 20 mph decreasing to near 10 mph after midnight.
Tuesday...Rain or snow likely. Snow level 1500 feet. Afternoon pass temperatures 25 to 30. Light wind in the passes.
Tuesday Night...Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow. Snow level 1000 feet. Light wind in the passes.
Wednesday...Partly sunny with a chance of showers. Snow level 1000 feet. Afternoon pass temperatures near 30.
Wednesday Night...Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow. Snow level 1500 feet.
Thursday...Rain or snow likely. Snow level 2500 feet.
New forecast looks a lot better!
Monday Night...Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Snow level 2000 feet. West wind in the passes 15 to 20 mph decreasing to near 10 mph after midnight.
Tuesday...Rain or snow likely. Snow level 1500 feet. Afternoon pass temperatures 25 to 30. Light wind in the passes.
Tuesday Night...Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow. Snow level 1000 feet. Light wind in the passes.
Wednesday...Partly sunny with a chance of showers. Snow level 1000 feet. Afternoon pass temperatures near 30.
Wednesday Night...Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow. Snow level 1500 feet.
Thursday...Rain or snow likely. Snow level 2500 feet.
New forecast looks a lot better!
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