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WMC Update 2012

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14 years 1 week ago #203873 by ruffryder

A hyperbolic example: A wolf asks a herd of sheep, "Can I have you for dinner?" The sheep reply, "BAAAA!?!" The wolf says, "Great discussion!" and eats them.

LMAO!!! AWESOME!!! simply AWESOME!!!

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14 years 1 week ago #203875 by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: WMC update 2012

Some folks actually read and understand the WMC postings.


I do.


I'm neutral on the WMC agenda, but the WMC approach gets my goat. I changed the title back to its previous name for consistency's sake; essentially none of this thread has taken place in 2012. I'd been wordsmithing my post for an hour or two when Marcus posted, so I hit "Post".

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14 years 1 week ago #203882 by Jim Oker

In my opinion, WMC uses TAY as a legitimizing megaphone. No other conservation group nor commercial outfit so consistently stirs the pot. If the Sierra Club, or even WWA, were spamming us, I think the moderators might cut them off.  TAY is an excellent place to discuss snowmobile/skier interaction; the acceptance of the snowmobilers who chimed in is testament to that. Constructive discussion is rarely interrupted with missives and copied news articles. It's good that TAY is a place where a group like WMC can bring proposals up for discussion. It would be more appropriate, however, if after bringing it up, WMC got out of the way, let the discussion happen, and learned from the result.

Good thoughts, Charlie. This is indeed an important topic, quite relevant to the community. Despite thinking that WMC has some fair points, I find myself bristling at the totality of the package of his (her?) postings. While there have been bits of constructive discussion here and there on these duplicate threads, WMC appears to have nudged most of the community, even many who may be inclined to agree with some of WMC's points, to antipathy toward WMC's tone and approach. I do not think this is helpful to WMC's cause.

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14 years 1 week ago #203883 by CascadeSkier
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....a couple of TAY members have wondered who is the voice behind WMC...this isn't a mystery...Rob Mullins has posted fairly widely on various internet forums....for example

www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/jan/28/...-other-winter-users/

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14 years 1 week ago #203884 by WMC
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Good thoughts, Charlie. This is indeed an important topic, quite relevant to the community. Despite thinking that WMC has some fair points, I find myself bristling at the totality of the package of his (her?) postings. While there have been bits of constructive discussion here and there on these duplicate threads, WMC appears to have nudged most of the community, even many who may be inclined to agree with some of WMC's points, to antipathy toward WMC's tone and approach. I do not think this is helpful to WMC's cause.


It is 'his', if you bothered to read the articles posted you could see all sort of photos of me. The areas of WMC Proposal 1 were proposed for Wilderness by OWNF in the Draft Forest Plan Revision. Some have attributed that in part to the WMC effort, OWNF Officials have stated that the PWA to some degree is to create a boundary that is enforceable to reduce the Wilderness incursions. As well, through our networking with a long lost of groups and Organizations, who have supported these advocacy issues the OWNF Draft Forest Plan Revision received over 24,000 comments asking for management of snowmobile riding. In the recent article, an OWNF official was attributed " snowmobiling must be addressed", said Mary Bean, Forest Service recreation manager."  

Jim, you have had antipathy from the start, there is plenty here from the start. That is quite strange- I recall my only TR posting that included discussion of using my snowmobile, and the lack of responses. In those days, it was not ok to even talk about snowmobiles on TAY, now the owner has praised the two heckling snomo guys here. Fascinating. That seems to lack logic or perhaps I (we) just do not get it. Or is it a east of the crest/ west of the crest? I cannot say, I just know I and a few are working very hard to make change within the existing laws that will benefit others much more than ourselves. We ask no one for money, we just try to make the case, provide the information, and ask citizens to weigh in.

These attitudes make me grin, it reminds me of liberals and Democrats on news shows advising what the Republicans should do. It is quite strange that some say they cannot support this because of my approach- you are not voting for me or endorsing me. Stand up and ask your public land managers to manage the winter Forest!

Jim if you or anyone does not agree, you can say so and make comments. What I post here is honest discussion. Tell me Jim, do you 'bristle' at some of the responding comments on TAY, some have been quite foul? TAY has some different themes or ideas. I am here posting only because I believe some folks want to read the information.

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14 years 1 week ago #203885 by Marcus
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Enough of this.

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