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16 years 2 months ago #189342 by Scotsman
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For me personally no. I'm stating my perspective on how I think it's being received by a lot of Americans.
I go back to my original theory" Perception is reality in the US of A".

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16 years 2 months ago #189362 by Lowell_Skoog
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I saw this on a blog that I read. It's a summary from the Pew Center on Global Climate Change about the East Anglia emails:

www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/east-angli...-emails-12-07-09.pdf

The UN and the University of East Anglia will be investigating the matter. The initial summary, which you can read in the first two or three pages of the report, concludes: "Although a small percentage of the emails are impolite and some express animosity toward opponents, when placed into proper context they do not appear to reveal fraud or other scientific misconduct by Dr. Jones or his correspondents."

On page four it says: "Although there is no clear evidence of scientific fraud or misconduct at this early stage, if further investigation were to reveal that misconduct had occurred, the scientific consensus regarding human‐induced climate change, as stated by the IPCC, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and virtually every relevant scientific body (see listing below), is not likely to be affected. The data sets involved in the discussions have been reproduced independently by other scientists in other countries and yield similar conclusions. Moreover, the data sets discussed in the emails, while relevant, are not essential to our understanding of contemporary climate change."

This is consistent with my earlier impression, which is that the East Anglia controversy has been overblown. Even if the East Anglia scientists were really crooked (and there is no convincing evidence of that yet) there's a world of other data that continues to support the scientific consensus on climate change.

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16 years 2 months ago #189368 by Scotsman
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Too late, damage has been done, credibility lost....oppponents reinvigorated...skeptics even more skeptical... guy at the gas station got a rebuttal to give.....independents confused.
Can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Move along....

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16 years 2 months ago #189369 by PNWBrit
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Too late, damage has been done, credibility lost....oppponents reinvigorated...skeptics even more skeptical... guy at the gas station got a rebuttal to give.....independents confused.
Can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Move along....


Yep.

Classic "conservative" tactics will now apply see "teach the controversy" and "theory in crisis".

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16 years 2 months ago #189381 by Lowell_Skoog
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Too late, damage has been done, credibility lost....oppponents reinvigorated...skeptics even more skeptical... guy at the gas station got a rebuttal to give.....independents confused.
Can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Move along....


Isn't the IPCC one of those death panels I've been hearing about?

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16 years 2 months ago - 16 years 2 months ago #189382 by Andrew Carey
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How anyone familiar with Mt. R's glaciers, the long history of glacial recession and outbursts on the Tahoma, Kautz, and Nisqually glaciers (including the 1947 Kautz mudflow), the loss of the ice caves on the Paradise Glacier, etc. (and what is happening in the N. Cascade, and Glacier NP) can doubt we are dealing with global climate change is as amazing to me as Bush's denial of evolution--only in America!  We're all Egyptians here--living on de Nile and believing in the Sun God.  Just go on the Nisqually Moraine trail, look downhill and see the trim line on the right side 100s of feet above the present glacier (the trim line is where the glaciers to used to be), look at the bridge, the glacier used to be 800 ft below that bridge. We have here the best examples of global climate change in the world (1) the old growth forests that developed during the Little Ice Age that came about after the black death decimated European and Asian populations and allowed reforestation and (2) the glacial retreats starting with the onset of the industrial era and accelerating to present.

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