Is Global Warming Dead?

It's not good news in any case.  I feel like the whole issue is slipping away...

If the issue really slipped away (i.e. turned out not to be a problem) I would be very happy. But I don't think that's likely. It will keep coming back at us until it cannot be ignored. It's unfortunate that we're letting opportunities slip while we wait.

If the issue really slipped away (i.e. turned out not to be a problem) I would be very happy. But I don't think that's likely. It will keep coming back at us until it cannot be ignored. It's unfortunate that we're letting opportunities slip while we wait.

Quite so. But I'm equally disgusted by the tendency of our elected officials to produce feel good legislation that does little more than rob momentum from efforts of moving toward where we really need to go. With apologies for the drift, the current health care debate is a case in point. There's a reason why big pharma, the legal lobby, most of the medical lobby, and except for a blip or two, the insurance lobby, is onboard with "doing' something. Follow the money - and say goodbye to more of yours - with what to show for it?

This weekends' SNL parody of the China/US relationship was sadly hilarious.

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Follow the money is right... Congress sees a HUGE new revenue beast ready for the slaying. But I doubt they're truly concerned about Climate Change.

They should really focus on good old fashion air pollution (which seems to have gone by the way side like Global Warming).

In my studies I do alot of reading about PNW climate and snow interactions. Numerous studies indicate declines in April 1st snow water equivalencies in the latter half of the 20th century of up to 25% and expected to decline to 40% by the 2080's.

Thats almost half our snowbase folks.

And who knows what GCC will do with ENSO and PDO?

If your really curious about what local climate change is doing to the snowpack and glaciers in WA look at the Climate Impacts Group website and select publications to view some hard to swallow analysis.

I'm all for not polluting water bodies, recycling, being green and all that sort of stuff; it makes sense to me just like picking up my dirty clothes and washing dirty dishes.
But being basically a "non-scientist" I have a hard time figuring out who to believe on this matter.
If I was going to devote a lot of energy (no pun intended) to the topic, my first goal would be to try and figure out the real motivations of the proponents and the antagonists. That, in fact, could be the most difficult task of all.
Right or wrong, I do have a lot of respect for those like the late Michael Crichton who challenged the scientific community in his CASE FOR SKEPTICISM ON GLOBAL WARMING .
Then when I see things like THIS KIND OF CRAP going on I just shake my head and drive my gas guzzling 4x4 to the mountains (properly tuned and with a clean air filter I might add - I still do my part where I can) for some clean, clear and simple thought processes.

Quote from: Scotsman on 11/20/09, 09:42 AM
As somebody once said , " never underestimate the stupidity of the general population ( me included)." ...I belive that's a Winston Churchill quote or paraphrase, if you will..."

Not to be pedantic--oh well, why not...

I would attribute this to my favorite historical curmudgeon, H. L Mencken, who in the early part of the century wrote:

"No one in this world, so far as I know--and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me--has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.

And in the in Chicago Tribune
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

R.E. global warming: where did our glaciers go and when can we have them back?