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Thanks for the TR, and the great pictures. I have been wondering how things are on St Helens.
"Sure is better than walking down after a climb."
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Amen Brother Hagedorn!
I should start posting more ;)
But 4 kids, full time job, wife in grad school, and me studying the AMGA way... sometimes I'm too tired.
I should start posting more ;)
But 4 kids, full time job, wife in grad school, and me studying the AMGA way... sometimes I'm too tired.
:)! Mighty fine photo, too.
A friend and I ascended near Tato Falls in ~2009, probably climbers' left of the waterfall, then mostly uphill along Gary's route. I remember there being quite a few plants down low. It's perhaps telling that I've not been back; I have a pretty high tolerance for thrashing, too. We would've been worried about getting cliffed had we traversed that far along the moraine; perhaps it's time to try again...
Our group was skiing Muir, and watched what I think is the same avy you mentioned. It happened right as a group (I assume it was you guys) was starting up the Wilson.
I've crossed that steeper slope you mentioned quite a few times, and wished there was a safer, lower angled approach to the Wilson, Fuhrer finger, etc. Maybe I'll have to check out that "dream bowl" route sometime.
I've crossed that steeper slope you mentioned quite a few times, and wished there was a safer, lower angled approach to the Wilson, Fuhrer finger, etc. Maybe I'll have to check out that "dream bowl" route sometime.
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Thanks for the conditions update. Nice pictures. How much snow is lower down at the snopark level?
Thanks. I'd say there's a couple feet at the Sno-park level.
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Those look like tele turns?
Nope, just some cautiou...
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"Hurricane" Hendrickson strikes again!
Strikes out might be more fitting :) Snow begins at about 1.5 miles from the Ranger Station which is exactly where the Park used to block off the road for winter access.
I don't know why I didn't use the bicycle. It would have made the ascent and decent much more enjoyable.... Next time...
Thanks for the conditions update. Nice pictures. How much snow is lower down at the snopark level?
I camped at the lake a few times this summer for something easy to get out of the city and the whole time I was thinking, "Damn this would be fun with some snow on it". Nice write up.
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Can't speak directly to your route finding question, but FWIW here's my attempt to show a much safer, though over a 1000vf longer, route to the upper Wilson starting from Glacier Bridge:
http://www.hillmap.com/m/ag1zfmhpbGxtYXAtaGRychULEghTYXZlZE1hcBiAgIDQiMm5CQw
I'm digging the Dream Bowl! It's a zone I've checked out a lot from Par...
digging the vibe of safety chat and beta sharing in this thread-- looks like a nice day out to explore the mountain -- been meaning to get over towards the Wilson, and a little alder ain't that bad!
Thanks for the Hillmap link! Even this caveman was able to figure it out.
Can't speak directly to your route finding question, but FWIW here's my attempt to show a much safer, though over a 1000vf longer, route to the upper Wilson starting from Glacier Bridge:
http://www.hillmap.com/m/ag1zfmhpbGxtYXAtaGRychULEghTYXZlZE1hcBiAgIDQiMm5CQw
We used to call this route Dream Bowl for the attractive bowl southeast of Cushman Crest visible from the Paradise area. Fr...
Can't speak directly to your route finding question, but FWIW here's my attempt to show a much safer, though over a 1000vf longer, route to the upper Wilson starting from Glacier Bridge:
http://www.hillmap.com/m/ag1zfmhpbGxtYXAtaGRychULEghTYXZlZE1hcBiAgIDQiMm5CQw
We used to call this route Dream Bowl for the attractive bowl southeast of Cushman Crest visible from the Paradise area. Fr...
Thanks for the beta. Looks like another Mt. Hood trip tonight instead.
40 F at Muir this morning, 6 am.
Not great for freeze-thaw....
Not great for freeze-thaw....
The glaciers are in good condition, and the Finger and Thumb looked smooth. There is a bergschrund on the Thumb but it looked passable. Two dudes were heading that way to attempt the Finger tomorrow as we headed out. However, I believe you are correct that the chutes will not have enough time to properly consolidate with the rapid warming on winter snow. So I can imagine some avy potential or at least unpleasant snow for climbing and skiing. Best to wait for a longer stretch of good weather or l...
I believe I took a few pics of your group as you were crossing the Nisqually (group of 5 near the trees in the lower right). How did the route look from your high point over to the Fuhrer Finger? We were considering climbing it tonight but ended up changing plans because of the warm temps and avy potential.
Thanks for the post and the inspiration to keep the TRs coming, even if they're more general at times. The NWAC cross-post idea has come up in the past - the technological solution is beyond me (and perhaps beyond the TAY software, not sure), but I've got some things in the (very slow) works that might help.
Yeah, today's sun and heat ought to settle out a bunch of that gloppy exposed stuff, I hope. Beautiful day indeed!
Went to explore and scout future lines in the kendall adventure zone, and found similar conditions skiing SE & SW lines off the Kendall ridge. Noticed evidence of large loose wet releases exposed East facing slopes, and the crown from a slab release on south facing aspect. Didn't get close enough to inspect closely.
Skiing was heavy as expected, but beautiful day so no complaints!
Skiing was heavy as expected, but beautiful day so no complaints!
Thanks for the tour Sam. It was a good time with a couple of good turns, a couple of really chewy ones, and lots of exercise it a pretty place. Keep after it because in faster conditions I think it could be a really cool summit.
We were up there but a little slower on the climb. The below ~6500 feet was really wet by the time we we skiing out at 230-245 and quite grabby. More sun the next couple days should make for spring like snow pack there.
We also observed a large naturally trigger slanb avalanche on an east facing slope on the other side of the nisqually glacier.
We also observed a large naturally trigger slanb avalanche on an east facing slope on the other side of the nisqually glacier.
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It was great to read your report and the photos. Plus, 1hr40min Issaquah to Longmire with your boots on is a record. ;)
Boots actually went just for the short Longmire > Paradise drive :).
It was great to read your report and the photos. Plus, 1hr40min Issaquah to Longmire with your boots on is a record. ;)
Nice running into you today Lowell. We had a great day out. We ended up stopping short of our original goal of the first checkpoint beyond Yakima Pass and turned around above Mirror Lake. We dropped down to the Twin Lakes and made our way back to a car we left at Hyak. See you on race day.
author=Charlie Hagedorn link=topic=35709.msg146081#msg146081 date=1454912049]
In 2011 (?) we were surprised to find snowmobile tracks at the saddle between Silver and Abiel, and in the bowl to the north of Tinkham. We weren't quite sure how they got there either.
I've seen tracks over by Silver Peak, but never this far around Tinkham. On my return, I found that one of the sledders had followed my ski tracks most of the w...
In 2011 (?) we were surprised to find snowmobile tracks at the saddle between Silver and Abiel, and in the bowl to the north of Tinkham. We weren't quite sure how they got there either.
After getting more time to think about it while skiing, perhaps one solution might be to add a checkbox to the TAY New Post dialog that would let a TAYyer cross-post (with a back-link to the discussion ) directly to NWAC.
Such an option could be used at NWHikers, SnoWest, CascadeClimbers, WTA, and beyond! It'd be a firehouse of content, though, which might dilute the technical Observations that have traditionally comprised the Observations page.
Such an option could be used at NWHikers, SnoWest, CascadeClimbers, WTA, and beyond! It'd be a firehouse of content, though, which might dilute the technical Observations that have traditionally comprised the Observations page.
Yes, the beginning of the route had a little dirty snow - a true low elevation Northwest approach? Fun skiing up higher.
Here is the slope Greg mentions, I've skied the lower half in powder a few years ago:

We were the first one to park at 8:30am, then there were about 10 cars when we came back though we didn't see anybody all day!

We were the first one to park at 8:30am, then there were about 10 cars when we came back though we didn't see anybody all day!
Love that route, and I never went over to the SW in the back of the valley. Thanks for the report over there.
Great tour, Kenji! And we're sorry that you're having to re-adjust to the inferior nature of the local goods...
A group I toured with in early January skied that slot that the last 2 SmugMug photos in your gallery show. We made it to within 300 feet of the summit ridge that you can see way at the top. I recommend THAT as your next Annette Lake venture. The creek crossing is just behind your group where all those snow 'hummocks' are in your last TAY photo. Nice to s...
A group I toured with in early January skied that slot that the last 2 SmugMug photos in your gallery show. We made it to within 300 feet of the summit ridge that you can see way at the top. I recommend THAT as your next Annette Lake venture. The creek crossing is just behind your group where all those snow 'hummocks' are in your last TAY photo. Nice to s...
I had my splitboard, but this trail is pretty inconsistent for skinning. Snow free from the road until just before the log crossing over Lena Creek. The closer we got to Upper Lena, the deeper the snow became. Snow free at Lower Lena Lake. I always love hiking up trails to reach the snow level, so in that way this trail is pretty cool. If weather doesn't work out in the Enchantments next weekend I may try again as an overnight. This time we were close enough to see Mt Lena itself which made...
Were you on skis? How far in can you drive this time of year?
Great summary Charlie! Totally agree with everything you had to say. Thanks for taking the time to write that up--and all your postings.
Thanks to all who take the time and effort to write up a report and give depth and humor--and all things in between--to reporting that a forum such as TAY can provide.
Hi, Dallas!
Thanks for all the awesome reporting that you, and everyone at NWAC, do! Looks like Paradise has lived up to its name lately.
I've posted occasionally to the NWAC observations page over the past decade, but TAY is home. Below is an attempt to explain why. Apologies for the length; if I have more time, I'll make it shorter.
TAY has been the definitive online backcountry ski conditions resource for the entire region since 2001. Even as the num...
Thanks for all the awesome reporting that you, and everyone at NWAC, do! Looks like Paradise has lived up to its name lately.
I've posted occasionally to the NWAC observations page over the past decade, but TAY is home. Below is an attempt to explain why. Apologies for the length; if I have more time, I'll make it shorter.
TAY has been the definitive online backcountry ski conditions resource for the entire region since 2001. Even as the num...
Hi Charlie,
Thanks for all the great information and awesome pictures! I had the pleasure of getting to teach with WAC a couple times and i'm so impressed with that group.
i'd like to invite you to post your observations to the NWAC site. Keeping up on what goes on across the largest forecast region in the country is extremely difficult.Information like you provided here would be super helpful. Here's a link to the observations page.
http://www....
Thanks for all the great information and awesome pictures! I had the pleasure of getting to teach with WAC a couple times and i'm so impressed with that group.
i'd like to invite you to post your observations to the NWAC site. Keeping up on what goes on across the largest forecast region in the country is extremely difficult.Information like you provided here would be super helpful. Here's a link to the observations page.
http://www....
Those kind of turns, are the best, what a great shot, thanks for making me wish I was making them!
As Sunday's warmup hits its stride, the snow's character will change, very likely for the worse. If I'm skiing at the Pass tomorrow, it'll surely be inbounds, where the incipient mank's been groomed or pre-skied.
Glad to see you got out! :) The only people we saw today were snowshoers, though we crossed a few ski tracks, too. Quiet day in the neighborhood.
Glad to see you got out! :) The only people we saw today were snowshoers, though we crossed a few ski tracks, too. Quiet day in the neighborhood.
Thanks for the detailed conditions. Took the folks snowshoeing up to Kendall Lakes and I think we ran into each??? Tomorrow the skis come out, and was considering going back to the Kendall playground
What did you rappel off of? How long it the rap?
That would save several lives a year and many thousands of gallons of fuel to boot.
Two thumbs up for Aardvark. Can't get enough of the "Fried Snow"!
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I'm with you in spirit because we all begin learning somewhere, but nowhere outside of the Mt Hood backcountry have I ever been privy to such blatant ignorance of safety for self and others.
Spend a weekend in the Wasatch, makes Mt. Hood look like an empty wilderness inhabited only by the competent and courteous.