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 all we needed to make the day complete was the ron j gang in the parking lot cookin' up the bbq.  8)

Thanks Allyson, glad you all had a fun time on that funked-ified snow.  We were over yonder checking out some new territory for this next year's great snowpack we are going to have  ;D.  Would have been a perfect day for the "bar-b", but it's all put away until next summer  >:(.
...the funkiest conditions you can imagine: a patch of week-old snow here, glacial ice there, slush, runnels, man-eating crevasses, mud, gravel, scree, candy ice shell with flowing water beneath, stream beds cut into ice, mini flash floods, sun cups, micro mud flows forming tiny deltas before your eyes...It's all there, you really couldn't ask for more...


i agree, jibberd.  that is a perfect description!

now kam, do you have to make...
Wolfs,

Those lakes are just past the entrance to the cirque that you climb to reach Meany Crest. There is a steep talus covered peak that would make a traverse of the ridge from Panhandle pointless - might as well go up through the cirque.

You could go over panhandle gap and climb the heather to reach Meany Crest from the Ohanapecosh side - it isn't much farther.  However, the Cirque is the way to go because it normally has a great ski line.  My guess is that if the Cirqu...
I've been on the fryingpan in late August.

Here is an old trip report for those interested. When enough snow falls, it's not bad:

http://cascadeclassics.org/MountRainier/LittleTahoma/Summer00/LittleTahoma,Summer2000.htm

It really really sucks.  >:(

i don't know what you're talking about.  looks good to me.  ;D

... so it's not as white as last year..  speaking of last year, this was Muir exactly one year ago.. 3k of pow!
I've never tried it myself, but there are two points of data that made me think that a very-late-summer trip to Fryingpan might be a bit of a bust:
1) Getting up to where the Meany Crest rounds off is already enough of a PITA in spring/early summer because the boulders and cliffs on the E facing toward the Summerland shelter melt out fairly quickly, and climbing choss at that angle and that looseness is tiring and dangerous. Is there a viable climbers track to Meany Crest (either from shelter...
Compared to last year, I just want to cry.
Correction,as usual I got the date wrong, it was the 17th.
Participants where.

Scotsman
JibberD
MikeC
Alisa Siebert( First time, brought alpine skis, has been sucessfully converted and will be taking up backcountry skiing  and is now in the process of pouring over gear reviews and selecting equipment) ;)
Richard Siebert- Non-skiiing participant. Made it to 9,000 ft.
See it wasn't that bad if we managed to convince a newbee to spend  $1200 plus on a set-up. 8)
It can only get better ???  I was up with the crew on the 17th as well.  It sure as heck wasn't a great day, but it was a day.  I managed a few smiles and made a few turns not too bad for a September Saturday!  OH, I almost forgot the matching bruises on each hip ;D
I was with JibberD and group on the 18th that went to Muir.
      It was the most hideous skiing you can imagine.

It was  also one of the most fun and hilarious days I've ever had on skis.
The measure of a days's skiing IMO is not the quality of the snow , but the amount of fun you have. ;D
In that respect Muir on 9/18 was excellent. 8)
This weekend was soccer with the boys - I'll have to show my true colors and choose soccer over the scratchy runnels in the sunday Muir thread...  It's good to get out, but better to have a functional bases for the upcoming season.  I'll wait for the next "new" snow.

On a positive note, my son Brett is begging for tele boots for his birthday.  He's turning 12 next week and with his 8 years of downhill, he ought to make a fine little tele rippah'.

-Dave R
Wow  ???
Good info, Scott, the kind that could save (or prompt - depending on one's appetite) a trip in there.
Thanks.
Nice work on the solid year O-H-M!!

I hope to report the same for this jibber in two short months.

I'm thinking guys like us who started our streak in this "winter of our discontent" year should have a pretty solid core to build a nice, long streak on.  What do you think?

woooooo-hooooo, right back at ya.
What is wrong with our youth today?  Everything "sucks".  It must be all that damn loud, unintelligible excuse for music they listen to nowadays, giving them such bad attitudes.  Oh and get to work, son!
Wow am I glad I was there last Sunday and not today, yikes!  Weather forecast is rainless for the next 10 days, too.
We were up there yesterday.

A great and humorous group of people who actually made it quite the blast to "work" with the available conditions.

I say go to Muir, and expect to ski the funkiest conditions you can imagine: a patch of week-old snow here, glacial ice there, slush, runnels, man-eating crevasses, mud, gravel, scree, candy ice shell with flowing water beneath, stream beds cut into ice, mini flash floods, sun cups, micro mud flows forming tiny deltas before your e...
Geeeeez!  I'll take the outcome of last Sept. 18th any day over the choss in that picture.... 8)
Glad I bailed and rode my bike today!
:-(

Still better than last September 18....
What, you don't believe me?

Ok, here's some photographic evidence.


The stuff above was no better.

At least we got September turns.
Straw?? Hmm, I don't remember seeing straw a few weekend ago. I bet it was put there by Sasquatches, probably for nest making or something like that.

Congrats on the turns. Snow sounds nicer then a few weekends ago.
I think that a group of us are going sunday, unless we go to baker  ;D . So this weekend is your second opportunity to enjoy some new snow...
Next time?


Next time, definitely. Charles and I bumped into each other while picking up our sons at a birthday party Monday afternoon. Talk turned to the most recent trip reports and Charles confessed that he was going skiing on Tuesday. I'd been thinking the same thing, but couldn't leave town until later in the morning, so I drove up separately.

You just don't hang out at the right parties, Dave.  ;)  ;)  ;)

Wait a minute,... you're Mark. ...and now that I think about it, what are you doing as a moderator on this board???
Fire him; go ahead, give him his pink slip. That would serve him right.  But if you fire Mark, you have to fire me, too.  No fair showing favoritism.    >:(
Heh. ÊI accept the challenge.

Wait a minute, you're not everyone, you're Mark. That's completely different and this statement doesn't apply to you. Your documented lapses in judgement in the past disqualify you...and now that I think about it, what are you doing as a moderator on this board???

Dave, sorry about that. I guess I didn't cast a wide net because I didn't want to be blamed for the suffering of many other people.
Oh, I can scarcely believe it - my own neighbors went to enjoy a sunny day in the minefield (with fresh glop!) and they never thought to call.

And to think I almost headed up there on my own.  I guess I need to practice acting more on those hunches.  Next time?

-Dave R

Thanks everyone. I will never ever question you judgement in the future.


Heh.  I accept the challenge.
Thanks everyone. It was nice to not break the streak, although I've still got the same requirement for October turns - I won't ski on dirty old snow (hear that, Ullar?). I guess I will find out how much the gods care about me...

I agree with Lowell - it was strangely fun. That was definitely the weirdest snow I've ever skied, but certainly not the worst.

Jeanette, in this case breaking the "rule" worked out great because we did find better snow, or at least a lot more equ...
Given the forecast, Saturday and/or Sunday may be slightly satisfying too.
Great report, Charles.  Glad I ran into you guys. Although the conditions looked desperate (icy bumps, cracks, lurking rocks and mud) I think it was not the worst skiing I've ever had on the Muir snowfield. It was a beautiful day and the skiing was fun in a perverse sort of way. I better be careful or you'll turn me into a streaker.
We missed you Ally-sone!  It's kinda freaky to think most of us skied over these gaping holes about three weeks ago ??? Here Jessica tries out her new waterproof climbing equipment 8)  Good times! But let's be honest the skiing really sucked  8)  Cass: Someday I hope to nail a shot like that!
smollner--nice patch!! 8)
looks like it was a great time up there!  nice photos m dog, and cass, welp,...looks like it was a pretty white day, huh. ;D glad you all got a few turns in though (at least that's what it looks like), i was bummed to have missed it.  alas, there's always next time... ;)
I got nice snow for my three runs.A little earlier in the day and  down lower than the rest of the gang.  Not to challenging terrain but I'm still new to skis so it was still exciting for me and good for my ego to take a few runs without falling . nice to see you Charles
Way to keep that streak alive Charles!!  :D

Lowell and I decided to "leave good snow to find better" and kept on hiking.....

Gosh, this seems to be the hardest "rule" for us BC skiers to learn, maybe when I "mature"  ;) I'll finally remember it too, but then again, I might get to old to remember it anyway  ;D.  Sure makes you appreciate the good stuff when you return to it.
Chris - I can just make out the faint outline of that yeti behind you in the snowstorm...

My library of images from the muir snowfield looks very similar -- I think that I have scored a ratio of 1/6 on the blue/white scale for all my times up there -- snake eyes on a pair of dice!

- Kevin
Glad to hear you trust our opinions and judgment, at least most of the time! Great job on keeping your streak alive in these desperate times (getting less desperate, thank goodness!)
Ahhh, my old stomping grounds.
That is the place we had to go for Sept. turns.
There hasn't been snow there this late for almost 10 years.
That is awesome!!! Hopefully we can get some of that stuff this year.

Wasatch Bry
charles,
kuddos for keeping the streak!
Nice report and congrats for getting out.
Very nice shot, Chris.  Perfect tele form.
 what's your secret?  spot metering and 2-stops over?

Shhhh!!! So much for the secret!  ;)  Aside from the metering, it was hard to go wrong with the composition from that spot, regardless of which direction the camera lens was pointed.

Chris - Way to snap 'em -- that's one of the best white-out shots I've ever seen ;).  

Wipe: well exposed.  histogram shows a HUGE spike at 255.  nice.  what's your secret?  spot metering and 2-stops over?
Ron's got more jokes than a squirrels got nuts. ;D


No one I'd rather place ice screws with than Ron J. Well written report, Jessica, sorry I missed it!
 is there a chance you'll teach this technique for next's year GTCR class?


Kam - we won't use ice screws in the GS/S&CR class, but Ron and I tested a couple of techniques for crevasse rescue using shorter (35 meter) ropes.  

We also discussed some ideas for the new glacier travel route finding course.  I'll send some draft ideas out this week.  

We'll discuss the ideas at the course improvement work shop which i...
....Jerry, you knew I was standing downwind and you did it anyway  ;) 8)
Jerry - you're such a vulgar clod  8)

I also didn't have much luck with photography yesterday myself; aside from this shot of the exceptional views and ski conditions from Carter and I's turn-around point at ~9,300-ft on the Muir snowfield...
Couldn't think of a better way to spend my b-day than screwing around on the lower Muir/PG.  The humor in the air was denser than the surrounding whiteout.  Ron's got more jokes than a squirrels got nuts. ;D
Nice report here.  

And what a sweet thing to see some fresh snow up there given how parched it looked two short weeks ago.

After seeing the size of those crevasses on the Paradise Glacier I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to ski there...comfortably.  Them big holes is gonna fill up and stuff, right?

I'd say the social setting of the joy-o-meter hit 99.9% on this one, with Darryl and Ron's safety course, Jeanette's grillin', new faces to known names and monikers. &...
 You can see a few pathetic photos here.  

I also didn't have much luck with photography yesterday myself; aside from this shot of the exceptional views and ski conditions from Carter and I's turn-around point at ~9,300-ft on the Muir snowfield  ;)

Great to see...
Valley fog rose to cover our route in the early afternoon, but the sun burned warm through it.


Nice to see ya'll up there yesterday!  Looks like your crew timed it better for the ski down with the visibility: About 10 minutes after you passed Carter and I on our way up the snowfield the clouds thickened and substantially reduced the visibility; Carter and I turned-around shortly thereafter near 9,300-ft and skied down most of the way in es...