Updates??- 2 climbers, 2 campers overdue...Rainier

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/weather-bloc...-mt-rainier-15408064

More limited searches didn't find anything today.

Wow, they flew a chinook around up there today and none of the campers came out. Those poor souls.

Gives details of the search yesterday - www.kplr11.com/news/nationworld/kcpq-ini...0119,0,4213726.story

The two lessons I came away with from the same book (Deep Survival), is that nature plays no favorites and if you intentionally push the envelope, she will hammer you.  The weekend these 4 chose to climb to Muir was bitter cold and harsh weather (-7 at Muir with 25-40mph winds).  I think that is a set up for disaster.

Dr. Telemark

I just finished Laurence Gonzales's book Deep Survival for the second time.  He gives the hard science and detailed survival stories on how and why people survive.  Gives me a lot of hope these folks will make it through this.

The weekend these 4 chose to climb to Muir was bitter cold and harsh weather (-7 at Muir with 25-40mph winds).  I think that is a set up for disaster.

Can anyone find a weather forecast for the 12th through the 16th?  I would like to know what the parties were reading before they headed up.  What did they interpret incorrectly?  Mark Vucich is reported as a guide in training.  If that is true it makes it all the more bizarre.  The other two that planned on summiting that weekend! 

It was reported that the search aircraft saw no body heat and I read somewhere that the ground crew found some clues to indicate where the campers might be but it did not say what those clues were.  Did the ground crews have dogs?   

No dogs were used that I know of. Weather made search and travel very difficult in the days immediately following the parties' disappearance. From what little I know about dog teams, dogs would have been useless. And a liability. More than 7 feet of snow has fallen since the teams went missing, with high winds during most of that time.

The two climbers were experienced. The two campers were just that- a pair of folks out for some winter camping. The story is very sad, no matter what the forecast was. Personally, I sometimes enjoy going out with projected bad weather. If only because it's nice to occasionally tap into the part of oneself that makes a decision to turn around. Opportunities for humility should be sought out, not avoided. It's also beneficial to experience things with one's own eyes. I'm not saying or implying that anybody posting here feels any differently. I just want to express the deep sadness I feel for those 4 people and the families and friends who love them.