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March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
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5 years 10 months ago #233698
by hankj
So no one should do anything in anticipation that the State might order everyone to do nothing if someone does something?
I'm personally uncomfortable thinking about my relationship with the State in those child-parent dynamics ("dad didn't say we couldn't go in the pool, but if we go in the pool he might tell us we can't go in the pool for a month ...").
I prefer to see the State's communications as legal language. And then as a private citizen I choose to behave safely and pro-socially inside of those legal limits. It seems to me that one can ski under one's own power in ways that don't increase the chances of disease transmission, and that minimize risk of personal injury.
Supermarkets and buses are necessary, so not good comparisons. But take out food isn't banned, is allowed by the State, and is an enormous infection risk compared to parking on the side of the highway and skinning up a hill.
And the State explicitly says riding a bike is okay. I'll bet the risk of doing that in the city of Seattle is comparable to, or maybe worse than, "poaching" some avy-safe blue runs.
Anyway, I choose to live my life in ways that expects the State to be measured and reasonable in relation to my freedoms. I won't live in a way that anticipates overreach and irrationality. Often that's what they do, but I won't tacitly validate it. If they haven't banned skiing I'm gonna ski, and no one's gonna get sick because of it.
Replied by hankj on topic Re: March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
Exactly. Regardless of one's interpretation of the governor's "Stay At Home" orders, I believe we are on the verge of a far more severe shutdown. Personally, I'd prefer not to contribute to that. In fact, I'd prefer that the rest of you not contribute as well.
So no one should do anything in anticipation that the State might order everyone to do nothing if someone does something?
I'm personally uncomfortable thinking about my relationship with the State in those child-parent dynamics ("dad didn't say we couldn't go in the pool, but if we go in the pool he might tell us we can't go in the pool for a month ...").
I prefer to see the State's communications as legal language. And then as a private citizen I choose to behave safely and pro-socially inside of those legal limits. It seems to me that one can ski under one's own power in ways that don't increase the chances of disease transmission, and that minimize risk of personal injury.
Supermarkets and buses are necessary, so not good comparisons. But take out food isn't banned, is allowed by the State, and is an enormous infection risk compared to parking on the side of the highway and skinning up a hill.
And the State explicitly says riding a bike is okay. I'll bet the risk of doing that in the city of Seattle is comparable to, or maybe worse than, "poaching" some avy-safe blue runs.
Anyway, I choose to live my life in ways that expects the State to be measured and reasonable in relation to my freedoms. I won't live in a way that anticipates overreach and irrationality. Often that's what they do, but I won't tacitly validate it. If they haven't banned skiing I'm gonna ski, and no one's gonna get sick because of it.
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5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #233699
by tele.skier
Replied by tele.skier on topic Re: March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
I now sleep on the downstairs couch every night because of the potential of falling when I climb the very steep stairs to my bedroom in my 100 year old house. I know that climbing those stairs potentially endangers both emergency responders and health care workers, so instead I toss and turn all night then wake up feeling like $hit. (yes, sarcasm)
I prefer the rest of you not use the stairs in your house either and sleep on your downstairs couches. It's just not right to risk the lives of others with your irresponsible behavor.Â
I prefer the rest of you not use the stairs in your house either and sleep on your downstairs couches. It's just not right to risk the lives of others with your irresponsible behavor.Â
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5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #233700
by PS44
Replied by PS44 on topic Re: March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
No seriously, the "State" isn't checking webcams to see whether there are more than 8 skiers on Summit West. They are looking at the numbers of people testing positive for CoV, entering the hospital system, and dying. Skiers will not change those numbers one iota, even if 50 of them will park in the Alpy parking lot on Saturday, provided they comply with the distancing rules.  If the numbers go up, the State will tighten the screws. If they go down... Saying "barking at the wrong tree" comes to mind when I read this.
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5 years 10 months ago #233701
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Replied by Enzolola on topic Re: March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
well there is this -
In partnership and alignment with the United States Forest Service and its closure of developed recreational day-use areas, all terrain within The Summit's permit area is now closed. This closure applies to all Summit base areas and all types of recreational access, including but not limited to; ski touring, skiing, snowboarding, hiking, snow play, and sledding.
In partnership and alignment with the United States Forest Service and its closure of developed recreational day-use areas, all terrain within The Summit's permit area is now closed. This closure applies to all Summit base areas and all types of recreational access, including but not limited to; ski touring, skiing, snowboarding, hiking, snow play, and sledding.
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5 years 10 months ago #233702
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Replied by HappyCamper on topic Re: March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
Been thinking that my streak may come to an end in April given the current restrictions and general ethos.
Hoping for month 1 in...May? June?
Hoping for month 1 in...May? June?
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5 years 10 months ago #233704
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Replied by charlier on topic Re: March 16th, 2020 ALPENTAL Uphill Travel
I am thinking more likely the end of June - perhaps near summer solstice.
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