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Snoqualmie summit uphill policy?

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10 years 2 months ago #225278 by Gib
Replied by Gib on topic Re: Snoqualmie summit uphill policy?
Androolus is on the $$.  Just never seem to have enough time to do it all. But one of the touring fool pro's (Hi Jan!) had the same idea a few years ago and we are continuing work that very thought.  Similar up-track to the second leg of Vertfest Course.  Perhaps up Gala, just outside B-Bowls boundary all the way to the top of Forever Rope in Snake Dance.  At that point you must come back in bounds and only access terrain that is open, like through the gates (and also obviously be part of Gate program). Possibly if everyone played well together that particular path, virtually free from all but extreme avvie hazard could be open and available really often.  I can't see us really being able to do so until we do a full re-vamp on uphill travel policy for Alp with some sort of agreement for those who say they will; and actually will, comply.   Probably a bit of tree work in a few key spots, but the trail could then be well marked and probably used fairly regularly.  Still have some details to work out to make it manageable in any hours outside of operations, but with some creative thought there - maybe we could manage some of that as well.  Thx /G

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10 years 1 month ago - 10 years 1 month ago #225380 by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Snoqualmie summit uphill policy?
I think what Androolus is talking about is an alternate uphill track toward Source Lake, climber's right of the Alpy BC exit route. Biggest blocker there is that the high-speed downtrack is almost always pre-trail-broken by yesterday's downhill traffic. Any other route requires uphillers to break a long flat trail, not far from a well-packed route. A signed route, like XC ski trail diamonds, might be enough to get a new tradition going.

A dedicated skinning route following the Vertfest second leg would be super cool, and it'd probably help sell concessions at the ski area base ;). It would be a far better dawn-patrol route than Hyak. Hard to say if a well-traveled uptrack would be too tempting for rope-duckers; there's a lot of amazing (and lethal, at times) terrain just a rope-duck away.

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10 years 1 month ago #225413 by SquakMtn
Replied by SquakMtn on topic Closed means closed...
...or does it? Apparently Alpental was closed for avalanche control work today after 7 feet of new over the last 8 days. Patrol were actively bombing the cliffs when here comes multiple groups skinning up through Felson and lower international. I mean REALLY? Despite charges going off these folks chose to continue up the hill. This kind of behavior is an embarrassment to the back country ski community. Damn lucky no one was hurt.

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10 years 1 month ago #225441 by gravitymk
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Apparently some/all are pass holders and they were clipped...

For the season I hope.

...or does it? Apparently Alpental was closed for avalanche control work today after 7 feet of new over the last 8 days. Patrol were actively bombing the cliffs when here comes multiple groups skinning up through Felson and lower international. I mean REALLY? Despite charges going off these folks chose to continue up the hill. This kind of behavior is an embarrassment to the back country ski community. Damn lucky no one was hurt.

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10 years 1 month ago - 10 years 1 month ago #225444 by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Closed means closed...

Apparently some/all are pass holders and they were clipped...


Is that the extent of the ski area's recourse?  RCW 79A.45.070 appears to apply. The ski area has the USFS lease, and patrollers need to be able to work without worrying about killing anyone below.

Touring into Alpental during control work is like holding a picnic in the middle of a rifle range.

Who wouldn't, from self-interest alone, check in with patrol on a day when substantial control work is almost certain?

Such a choice puts patrollers at risk, delays/compromises the opening of the (awesome) ski area, and makes it hard for ski areas to consider accommodate ski-touring interests.

Edit: Whoops, meant 070, as bfree says. 030 was in the copy-paste buffer.

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10 years 1 month ago #225445 by bfree32
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Misdemeanor per RCW 79A.45.070.

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