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Snoqualmie summit uphill policy?
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10 years 2 months ago #225213
by thunderchief
Snoqualmie summit uphill policy? was created by thunderchief
New to area, and at the moment looking for safer terrain close to Seattle that I can solo on short notice when some powder shows up (like tomorrow). The runs at the resort not open yet seem like an ideal spot.
I assume we are allowed to skin up and play on the peaks not open, or before 9am?
For future reference, do they have an uphill policy when everything is open?
Thanks!
I assume we are allowed to skin up and play on the peaks not open, or before 9am?
For future reference, do they have an uphill policy when everything is open?
Thanks!
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10 years 2 months ago #225214
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I don't think anyone cares much when it's closed, aside from control work concerns at Alpental.
When it's open be discrete, keep your group very small, and ascend on the margins of the runs, well out of the way of any downhill skiers. This formula seems to keep anyone from saying anything most of the time.
The popularity of inbounds skinning at Snoqualmie seems to be on the rise. Hopefully if we continue to behave we can maintain this important access.
When it's open be discrete, keep your group very small, and ascend on the margins of the runs, well out of the way of any downhill skiers. This formula seems to keep anyone from saying anything most of the time.
The popularity of inbounds skinning at Snoqualmie seems to be on the rise. Hopefully if we continue to behave we can maintain this important access.
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10 years 2 months ago #225215
by Pete A
Replied by Pete A on topic Re: Snoqualmie summit uphill policy?
TAY member 'Gib' for the past few years posts a 'heads-up' message on the board when Alpental is getting close to opening. See the link below for the usual season opener message...
www.turns-all-year.com/skiing_snowboardi....msg126682#msg126682
The general rule for Alpental is that once that message goes out- its best to not skin up the resort at any time until things shut down in the springtime.
As for the other base areas- mid-week Hyak (Summit East) skinning laps are pretty common when the lifts aren't spinning and I don't think anyone minds.
www.turns-all-year.com/skiing_snowboardi....msg126682#msg126682
The general rule for Alpental is that once that message goes out- its best to not skin up the resort at any time until things shut down in the springtime.
As for the other base areas- mid-week Hyak (Summit East) skinning laps are pretty common when the lifts aren't spinning and I don't think anyone minds.
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10 years 2 months ago #225218
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Checking in with Patrol is always a good idea - I've found that they've always been very accommodating and appreciative when you check in with them first - and especially if you're new to the area, may point you in the best direction to head out that day. I've never had a Patroller say 'no' to uphill - in my experience it's always been 'yes' with advice on where to skin up and where not to.
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10 years 2 months ago #225228
by Gib
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Thanks Pete for the link to what I said last year (and nice to meet in person this morning)
Not sure I can say it any more clearly than re-gurg of last few posts but in fact - TODAY- is the last day for wide open uphill travel at Alpental. Forecasted storm will have us out and about tomorrow traveling the ridges, and potentially causing slides. We need to do work re-establishing the bomb trams and checking mountain coverage for a potential opening next week.
The Pass-wide policy summary is that once that day happens (tomorrow) at Alpental. There is no uphill travel allowed within the permit boundary unless the resort is OPEN for business, YES - OPEN and loading lifts -AND, you must also make pre-hike contact with the patrol so they can try and accommodate your goals and help you choose safest route for us both. Once you have completed your uphill hike - all normal ski area rules still apply, like run closures and our back bowls policy. For getting further afield - even though "technically" you might be skirting along and somewhat through our permit area, we do not preclude you from heading up the South Fork valley towards Source Lake in order to access points beyond our operating area. ie Great Scott, The Tooth, Chair Peak, Kaleetan, etc. But the savvy traveller must be aware that all of the left hand slopes are avalanche prone terrain and may in fact have very happy little triggers riding every feature. Natural and human triggered slides have often endangered and trashed those commonly used up-valley skin and snowshoe routes. We ask that you stay trail right when on the groomed return trails and once those peter out you should make your own way rather than following the downhill ski area return tracks. VERY hazardous high speed (sometimes less-skilled) oncoming traffic will be on those tracks. There are definitely alternative trail routes that avoid all but the largest slide hazards if you stay valley bottom or even a bit right in key places. One of these days a good project for a motivated and wise group would be to truly establish the best such winter route and we could all adopt it into habit. Beyond the waterfall though, slides from the Chair Peak basin are a threat throughout, and Hazard Assessment skills become very important. Sorry for digression, I could talk about Alpental all day, and all of these policies have been developed in an attempt to keep the resort user from causing harm to the recreationalist, and vice-versa.
For the rest of the Summit terrain, the rules are quite a bit more lenient. We do allow uphill travel at all hours, open or closed, at West, Central, and East. Everyone seems to have their favorite spot but I’m sure it’s EZ to recognize each has it’s own best practice. We “generally” prefer that any uphill traffic stays well to the side of any run or open slope so as not to encourage collisions with guests, but at West; for example, neither edge contains an appetizing route – so we ask that you choose the least traveled zone and clearly try to avoid becoming a problem. It should be pointed out that these policies are to facilitate shared use of public lands and not trying to monopolize all the slopes. It should also be clear that the most common primary use of these slopes are for ski area customers sliding downhill. If you choose to do the opposite and increase the hazard to both you and the traditional users, our legal system might conclude that you could have some increased responsibility towards any potential accident. In short, if you climb a busy ski run and someone hits you – a “reasonable” judge or jury might conclude the fault lies with you – fair warning. Our job is to try and protect our guests and still try to allow you reasonable access to the same public land. I’ll also say that even though quite a lot of Summit Central is actually privately owned, in the interest of making it as simple as possible, we apply the same policy to all across the Summit Slopes – with the above described exceptions at Alpental. Watch for snow machines, winch grooming cables, and please stay away from the lift machinery, but if we all try to get along I’ll bet we can.
Thanks for listening. I didn’t know I had that in me! /Gib
Not sure I can say it any more clearly than re-gurg of last few posts but in fact - TODAY- is the last day for wide open uphill travel at Alpental. Forecasted storm will have us out and about tomorrow traveling the ridges, and potentially causing slides. We need to do work re-establishing the bomb trams and checking mountain coverage for a potential opening next week.
The Pass-wide policy summary is that once that day happens (tomorrow) at Alpental. There is no uphill travel allowed within the permit boundary unless the resort is OPEN for business, YES - OPEN and loading lifts -AND, you must also make pre-hike contact with the patrol so they can try and accommodate your goals and help you choose safest route for us both. Once you have completed your uphill hike - all normal ski area rules still apply, like run closures and our back bowls policy. For getting further afield - even though "technically" you might be skirting along and somewhat through our permit area, we do not preclude you from heading up the South Fork valley towards Source Lake in order to access points beyond our operating area. ie Great Scott, The Tooth, Chair Peak, Kaleetan, etc. But the savvy traveller must be aware that all of the left hand slopes are avalanche prone terrain and may in fact have very happy little triggers riding every feature. Natural and human triggered slides have often endangered and trashed those commonly used up-valley skin and snowshoe routes. We ask that you stay trail right when on the groomed return trails and once those peter out you should make your own way rather than following the downhill ski area return tracks. VERY hazardous high speed (sometimes less-skilled) oncoming traffic will be on those tracks. There are definitely alternative trail routes that avoid all but the largest slide hazards if you stay valley bottom or even a bit right in key places. One of these days a good project for a motivated and wise group would be to truly establish the best such winter route and we could all adopt it into habit. Beyond the waterfall though, slides from the Chair Peak basin are a threat throughout, and Hazard Assessment skills become very important. Sorry for digression, I could talk about Alpental all day, and all of these policies have been developed in an attempt to keep the resort user from causing harm to the recreationalist, and vice-versa.
For the rest of the Summit terrain, the rules are quite a bit more lenient. We do allow uphill travel at all hours, open or closed, at West, Central, and East. Everyone seems to have their favorite spot but I’m sure it’s EZ to recognize each has it’s own best practice. We “generally” prefer that any uphill traffic stays well to the side of any run or open slope so as not to encourage collisions with guests, but at West; for example, neither edge contains an appetizing route – so we ask that you choose the least traveled zone and clearly try to avoid becoming a problem. It should be pointed out that these policies are to facilitate shared use of public lands and not trying to monopolize all the slopes. It should also be clear that the most common primary use of these slopes are for ski area customers sliding downhill. If you choose to do the opposite and increase the hazard to both you and the traditional users, our legal system might conclude that you could have some increased responsibility towards any potential accident. In short, if you climb a busy ski run and someone hits you – a “reasonable” judge or jury might conclude the fault lies with you – fair warning. Our job is to try and protect our guests and still try to allow you reasonable access to the same public land. I’ll also say that even though quite a lot of Summit Central is actually privately owned, in the interest of making it as simple as possible, we apply the same policy to all across the Summit Slopes – with the above described exceptions at Alpental. Watch for snow machines, winch grooming cables, and please stay away from the lift machinery, but if we all try to get along I’ll bet we can.
Thanks for listening. I didn’t know I had that in me! /Gib
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10 years 2 months ago #225229
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Replied by Chuck C on topic Re: Snoqualmie summit uphill policy?
Gib,
Any special policies about canine climbers?
Any special policies about canine climbers?
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