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Snowmobiles on skyline ridge Why?

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11 years 10 months ago #221520 by Shred
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With all do Respect: Sleds cant really access the good skiing in that area anyways... are you up set because they interrupted your "Alpine Experience" or are those areas that they rode your go to ski runs?

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11 years 10 months ago #221531 by John Morrow
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With all do Respect: Sleds cant really access the good skiing in that area anyways... are you up set because they interrupted your "Alpine Experience" or are those areas that they rode your go to ski runs?


Come on, it really is not an appropriate place for snowmobiling or snomo access skiing. So short, packed lots that don't accommodate trailers well, hundreds of snowshoers and skiers.
I'd guess, of all people, you wold know, Shred, that there is thousands and thousands of acres available for yo yo bile assisted skiing. Acres that are out of reach of your most ambitious foot travelling day tourers, yet legal and not inside wilderness.
Canyon Creek
Glacier Creek
NCHwy
Mountain Loop Hwy
Beckler River
Little Wenatchee River
Icicle
NF Teanaway
Upper Cle Elum
Van Epps
Ghallagher Head
Cooper River
French Cabin Creek

And I am not even mentioning half of it and I am not even south of I-90 yet.

Is a short approach, close in place like Skyline, Yodelin or Smithbrook really too much to ask to leave to the human powered access?

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11 years 10 months ago #221536 by Shred
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Come on, it really is not an appropriate place for snowmobiling or snomo access skiing.  So short, packed lots that don't accommodate trailers well, hundreds of snowshoers and skiers.
I'd guess, of all people, you wold know, Shred, that there is thousands and thousands of acres available for yo yo bile assisted skiing.  Acres that are out of reach of your most ambitious foot travelling day tourers, yet legal and not inside wilderness. 


And I am not even mentioning half of it and I am not even south of I-90 yet.

Is a short approach, close in place like Skyline, Yodelin or Smithbrook really too much to ask to leave to the human powered access?


I agree with you in that its not a very good place to sled ski for ME or perhaps you. But, I surely can not cast judgment upon others that think it is.
These tracks were most likely laid by a Stevens pass lift operator/ employee that has saved their hard earned money ( at minimum wage) to purchase a less than ideal sled to live the dream of adventure that we all seek. They most likely live at the pass, within the parameters of this location. You could say that Skyline is THEIR backyard, and All others are in"appropriate" for walking right through their front yards and out their backyards.
They may not have the funds or the time to truck out to these more distant areas, that you speak of.
I did not want to come across as cynical in my question. Maybe I did, however. I was just curious why bscott was labeling these sledders as "Bad Apples".

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11 years 10 months ago #221541 by gravitymk
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i agree.
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Oh really?

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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #221542 by silaswild
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Well stated Scott and Jeff, these sound like poor, dirtbag kids who most likely do not even own a sled trailer or vehicle capable of towing sleds.  Perhaps it is their (non-weekend) day off and they are just playing in their backyard, while uninvited visitors pee close by their homes and let their dogs poop there.  It seems very unlikely they are able to get to the lines most skiers seek in that region, the nature of the terrain limits where sleds can go, and other easy routes are available for skiers to avoid them.

These kids probably can't afford the fancy cars, clothes, skis, boots, bindings, and avalanche gear the complaining visitors are sporting.  Even without all that gear, I suspect they are less likely to need rescuing.  Are they doing anything illegal?  Scott indicates they are politely avoiding non-motorized travelers, and they are not sledding during high use days.  No harm no foul?  Can we all just get along together and share our common property?




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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #221543 by John Morrow
Replied by John Morrow on topic Re: Snowmobiles on skyline ridge Why?

I agree with you in that its not a very good place to sled ski for ME or perhaps you. But, I surely can not cast judgment upon others that think it is.
These tracks were most likely laid by a Stevens pass lift operator/ employee that has saved their hard earned money ( at minimum wage) to purchase a less than ideal sled to live the dream of adventure that we all seek. They most likely live at the pass, within the parameters of this location. You could say that Skyline is THEIR backyard, and All others are in"appropriate" for walking right through their front yards and out their backyards.
They may not have the funds or the time to truck out to these more distant areas, that you speak of.
I did not want to come across as cynical in my question. Maybe I did, however. I was just curious why bscott was labeling these sledders as "Bad Apples".


Agreed, I have no intent to cast judgement nor assault anyone's character. 
I do think that the time has come that all the stakeholders begin the discussion of separating some uses and delineating some areas as non-motorized.  I rarely go to Skyline, it just seems to be a good fit for non-motorized use since there really is no snowmobile touring options up that way.  If the situation is that some employees ride sleds to access skiing, then the discussion could include an option that limits the machines to the road, for example.  That, perhaps, could address some of the concerns of the original poster.
Hey Silas, and I say this quite jokingly, if they don't have a truck or trailer, what'd they ride the snowmobile from Leavenworth at the start of the season!?!  Maybe it is actually a ski area owned machine.   Good to hear that you are on the mend and strapping skins on again.
Who knows...lots of speculation going on in this whole thread.  It'd be nice to hear from the snowmobilers themselves.

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