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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #221291 by Good2Go
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You must be right, after all you're Lowell F-ign Skoog, godfather of skinny skis and all things snow related.  Please pardon my transgression. 

All kidding aside, I wouldn't want that job. This incident highlights the tension between trying to run a seasonal business in the face of managing a constantly evolving risk.  And I think Crystal does a great job of it.  That said, they do make mistakes, and this sure seems like one of them.  Do you seriously think they would do it the same way all over again, knowing what the outcome would be?  Pretty sure they will be changing their practices under similar circumstances in the future (of which there will be many).

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11 years 11 months ago #221292 by OldHouseMan
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The real bummer about this whole thing...The replacement chair will most likely be far less exciting to get off of.

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11 years 11 months ago #221293 by andyrew
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Kim's blog says that they heli-bombed Tuesday without anything nearly approaching the results they got on Sunday/Monday.  Don't know the details of what was heli-bombed (ie, if the paths were as juicy as employee housing or the Throne), but that seems to suggest that the danger was peaking Monday night.  From my limited reading, it sounds like wet slab danger can peak and (temporarily??) subside sharply, so I also can't help but wonder what would have happened if they had just closed Campbell and Forest Queen for a day and tried bombing it on Tuesday.

But I also wouldn't want to be the person making that call.

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11 years 11 months ago #221294 by Lowell_Skoog
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Kim's blog says that they heli-bombed Tuesday without anything nearly approaching the results they got on Sunday/Monday.  Don't know the details of what was heli-bombed (ie, if the paths were as juicy as employee housing or the Throne), but that seems to suggest that the danger was peaking Monday night.  From my limited reading, it sounds like wet slab danger can peak and (temporarily??) subside sharply, so I also can't help but wonder what would have happened if they had just closed Campbell and Forest Queen for a day and tried bombing it on Tuesday.


There was no historical record of The Throne going as big as it did on March 10. The patrol didn't think it was a possibility. So what they did makes perfect sense. They chose the peak of the wet slab danger and they pounced on it.

Having been surprised, they're not making the same assumption again. That's why they've closed Exterminator for now. They can't afford to risk bringing down something huge on the gondola or the base area.

It's true that the hazard went down after the weather cleared on March 11. But nobody knows for sure whether the hazard will or won't return.

Until March 10, betting that it was best to eliminate the danger at its peak was a good bet. Now it's more complicated. I think we can expect to see more long-term closures at Crystal if we have another year like this one.

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11 years 11 months ago #221295 by rlsg
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When and if that snowpack goes isothermal (sp?)--it could be a slip slidin' away scene...

Has Rock Face gone yet?  Wouldn't want to be on that or at the bottom of that..

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11 years 11 months ago #221296 by Joedabaker
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I gotta agree with Lowell "fricking" Skoog on his last couple comments.
I was riding up the Gondi on a couple separate occasions with Paul Baugher and then Brent Okida the day before the big one and the consensus was unified in that this is very unusual for here and the unstable snowpack is the result of perfect circumstances that are very unusual this advanced in pre-spring. I can't remember it happening in my lifetime at least around here this early. Maybe I would say on lubed rock faces or new snow that gets solar radiated but saturation to that depth in before mid March hmmm...

At any level I'm glad/hopeful that chair is destroyed enough to not reuse it!
To bad for the rest of this season, but it wasn't open most the time anyhow, so no big loss!

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