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No, I have no idea what you skied around that time, username, nor how carefully you assessed what you did ski, nor how solid your assessment skills are.
I'm only pointing out that the NWAC stated hazard levels for the day were neither "low" nor the apparently new "very low" which others claimed of the day. Since pbelitz's and teleross' posts which stated the hazard levels in these terms were not specific in stating that they meant specific slopes that they had skied/t...
I'm only pointing out that the NWAC stated hazard levels for the day were neither "low" nor the apparently new "very low" which others claimed of the day. Since pbelitz's and teleross' posts which stated the hazard levels in these terms were not specific in stating that they meant specific slopes that they had skied/t...
revisionism
Are you suggesting that I or others skied something that we thought had a high risk of avalanche? I can't speak for others but I assure you that this is not the case!
NWAC avalanche forecasts are a good resource definitely. However as anyone knows who travels regularly in the mountains, avalanche conditions are very localized phenomena, and from being up on Mt Snoqualmie a day or two before I would say that the avalanche danger was very low on the westerly aspect up which the skin track ascends, while on northerly facing slopes there had been some wind deposited snow that had formed some small pocket slabs, although not enough to be much of a concern.
I saw a pocket slab that broke loose from a SW aspect(presumably a natural release - no evidence of human travel near it) on a ridge top (at about 5600 near but not at Snoqualmie Peak) a couple days after this trip date. So snow had been blowing and settling into spots where there was a sliding surface, at least in places.
In any case, the NWAC had posted something above "low" or the new "very low" hazard level for the day, and I frankly trust their analysis more than...
In any case, the NWAC had posted something above "low" or the new "very low" hazard level for the day, and I frankly trust their analysis more than...
Honestly though, did anyone witness any slides? Was there any slide layer to speak of? Slab? (I mean, we stuck to mostly trees and lower-angle terrain...)
I guess that some people's "moderate to considerable" is other people's "low" or even "very low"
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Thanks for diplomatically pointing out the orwellian word games that went on in at least two of the posts here, mr. smith.
I'll re-state a point worth re-stating. I respect that we all draw the lines differently. What I don't respect is people who make fun of those who draw the lines differently from themselves. This is a bad dynamic, especially if yo...
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Thanks for diplomatically pointing out the orwellian word games that went on in at least two of the posts here, mr. smith.
I'll re-state a point worth re-stating. I respect that we all draw the lines differently. What I don't respect is people who make fun of those who draw the lines differently from themselves. This is a bad dynamic, especially if yo...
thanks to (almost) all for an interesting discussion.
i have two (mabee) interesting factoids to add:
did you know that the human body metabolizes 2 quarts of water every 24 hours at rest when outdoors in the winter?
avalance danger for 12/8 was moderate down low but considerable up high per the NWWAC (in case you thought it was low that day)
i have two (mabee) interesting factoids to add:
did you know that the human body metabolizes 2 quarts of water every 24 hours at rest when outdoors in the winter?
avalance danger for 12/8 was moderate down low but considerable up high per the NWWAC (in case you thought it was low that day)
People go over north to Barret Spur to ski too, no?
Yup. Barret Spur has great skiing though access is a bit protracted.
Cyril,
Remember the good times baby! Right after a beautiful night of sleeping in the fetal position on a trail in the middle of a barrage of wet snowfall, we got to ski awesome pow at WaPass like so: click and clickety-click.
Remember the good times baby! Right after a beautiful night of sleeping in the fetal position on a trail in the middle of a barrage of wet snowfall, we got to ski awesome pow at WaPass like so: click and clickety-click.
Very nice. I spent a lot of time hiking those trails and exploring those ridges back in college. Those are fantastic hikes in the summer and fall. People go over north to Barret Spur to ski too, no?
Ah yes, despite the frigid wind, it really was a wonderful day, even without the boys :)
Pics to come shortly...
~Lara
Pics to come shortly...
~Lara
Nice job sniffing out the goods, Russ.
Looks like next Sunday will bring all new challenges, eh?
Looks like next Sunday will bring all new challenges, eh?
Way to sniff out the goods, Jess and Lara.
You don't need no stinkin' men, to get in a tour. ;)
On the the other hand, we need the fem's along to keep our testosterone in check, among other things. ???
You don't need no stinkin' men, to get in a tour. ;)
On the the other hand, we need the fem's along to keep our testosterone in check, among other things. ???
[edited to change date to Sunday, which is when I went...]
You seem to know the virtues of having heavily explored an area to the point where you know what slopes might be good on any given day, Ron. It sure pays off on days like yesterday if you're looking for turns instead of just tours...
Yeah, let's just hope that we get some heavy orographic showers with dropping levels at the end of this next wave. Sounds like a yucky Xmas weekend...
EXTENDED FORECAST FOR WEDNESDAY THROUGH...
You seem to know the virtues of having heavily explored an area to the point where you know what slopes might be good on any given day, Ron. It sure pays off on days like yesterday if you're looking for turns instead of just tours...
Yeah, let's just hope that we get some heavy orographic showers with dropping levels at the end of this next wave. Sounds like a yucky Xmas weekend...
EXTENDED FORECAST FOR WEDNESDAY THROUGH...
Nice report, Jim.
Glad there was still some goods in there for the "bloodhound" in you.
Guess we'll have a "whole new ball game" now with this week's coming weather, eh?
Glad there was still some goods in there for the "bloodhound" in you.
Guess we'll have a "whole new ball game" now with this week's coming weather, eh?
I should probably respond on TTips about the trees, but those look like Hemlocks. I've spent many days in the Willamette Pass area and Hemlocks are prevalent on that mountain.
Thanks, and no problem helping identify the trees here. I just posed the question on TTips because I thought there was a lot of forest-types there.
Nice report Jeff. It's nice to see a report from a seldom visited area on Mt. Hood. Great pictures as well. I should probably respond on TTips about the trees, but those look like Hemlocks. I've spent many days in the Willamette Pass area and Hemlocks are prevalent on that mountain. The pics are a bit far away, but the trees look very similar.........correct branching, flat needles, similar bark, etc.
Thanks for the report in that general direction Chris- I have had my eye on that valley for awhile!
It is tricky get the variables of coverage, stability, and access to all converge up there... but the head of the valley does look amazing! Looking at the arial photo, did you get to the midpoint where the stream forks? There looks to be a brushy median (east side of stream) and cliffs on the west side from Morningstar. I wonder if the stream bed itself ever gets completely covered past tha...
It is tricky get the variables of coverage, stability, and access to all converge up there... but the head of the valley does look amazing! Looking at the arial photo, did you get to the midpoint where the stream forks? There looks to be a brushy median (east side of stream) and cliffs on the west side from Morningstar. I wonder if the stream bed itself ever gets completely covered past tha...
That's pretty much the way it's always been, except it was only $5 for the one ride ticket. The other areas that provide backcountry lift access are all at $10 (or more) now, so I guess I can understand them raising the price.
Probably of greater impact to bc skiers, more than the price increase though, is the reduced operations of C-4 (the Quicksilver lift). My inquiry on the subject to CM received a response that the mountain manager intends to only run C-4 when deemed nec...
Probably of greater impact to bc skiers, more than the price increase though, is the reduced operations of C-4 (the Quicksilver lift). My inquiry on the subject to CM received a response that the mountain manager intends to only run C-4 when deemed nec...
It was a fun day out. As always when skiing with Chris, the day was full of laughs. Here are a few more pictures:
Chris crosses a stream in the woods.
We had great view of Sperry Peak on the approach.
Chris skis the last pitch fr...
Chris crosses a stream in the woods.
We had great view of Sperry Peak on the approach.
Chris skis the last pitch fr...
THE_MAN: Aren't we all here to "get the beta on ski tours and snow conditions"? A well written trip report will always contain these elements, but beyond that it's a matter of personal style. I enjoy the many unique styles of the different contributors to this forum, and like I said above, I find it useful when a trip reporter let's the reader into their mind regarding decisions they made in the mountains.
Surfers who are searching for "look at me pleas for attention...
Surfers who are searching for "look at me pleas for attention...
especially when it is used in ski mode for descents
You mean they are not susceptible to my camouflage?
Yeah but why are they trying to kill me?!! ???
It has been determined that you are "wasting powder" on that splitboard contraption, especially when it is used in ski mode for descents in bottomless fluff. That is the reason you have been targeted for elimination.
Yeah but why are they trying to kill me?!! ???
I come to TAY to get the beta on ski tours and snow conditions
You come to TAY to get beta on ski tours and snow conditions, and then criticize people who provide just that? >:(
Why don't you post something useful. Such as, beta and snow conditions.
I can't believe I came back from two days of skiing to find that this post is still being discussed.
I happen to know that MW8888888 posts on this site to share conditions with others and his experiences with myself and his other friends across the states. Any other motives you might attribute to them are more reflective of your own state of mind than his.
Thanks for all the good discussion on this. And thanks to Charles for being the voice of reason and keeping this site a comfortable pl...
I happen to know that MW8888888 posts on this site to share conditions with others and his experiences with myself and his other friends across the states. Any other motives you might attribute to them are more reflective of your own state of mind than his.
Thanks for all the good discussion on this. And thanks to Charles for being the voice of reason and keeping this site a comfortable pl...
One experience I enjoy is that of climbing a mountain, then seeing another across the valley and going, "Hey, I'd like to climb that." I saw Del Campo from Cadet and thought just that a month ago.
Thanks for the photos and story.
Thanks for the photos and story.
I?ve only posted once in the past, a few years ago.
I?m the guy out there that Charles and others have mentioned in this thread. John Q. Public, that?s me.
I read this site for information useful to getting outback. I've always thought this site was a form of intelegent community working together to maximize everyones adventures with things like snow condititions, avy danger, sucesfull and failed trips, what?s in what?s out, and all that jazz.
I get out a bit and use all the...
I?m the guy out there that Charles and others have mentioned in this thread. John Q. Public, that?s me.
I read this site for information useful to getting outback. I've always thought this site was a form of intelegent community working together to maximize everyones adventures with things like snow condititions, avy danger, sucesfull and failed trips, what?s in what?s out, and all that jazz.
I get out a bit and use all the...
Whoa, what does the DOT shoot at? Am I liable to take artillery fire next time I go looking for powder?
Wanted to add an aside that the explosions noted on the 8th were actually the DOT targeting their 105rr from the top of the Summit West ski hill toward Denny Mt. and Granite Mt. There wasn't any hazard control work done that day by the Alpental patrol. Alp only tries to control hazard on Mt Snoqualmie when conditions indicate the possibility of large, long return-period slides, or else favorable conditions for dealing to a persistent weak layer. Hardly ever done more than once or twice a year, b...
Here's what Crystal emailed me:
When the Quick Silver chair is running we offer a one way ride for those have tele gear and check in with our patrol staff. You must come to Guest services to purchase the $10.00 ticket.
When the Quick Silver chair is running we offer a one way ride for those have tele gear and check in with our patrol staff. You must come to Guest services to purchase the $10.00 ticket.
author=MW88888888
Skiing a big peak solo? Foolish? For sure. I really should stop doing that. I really should. But then again, I should stop driving my car. Oh well, this, too, is a reality I am at peace with.
Yo MW-
I dont care how many "big peaks" you ski solo. I come to TAY to get the beta on ski tours and snow conditions, not for your desperate and sarcastic little "look at me" pleas for attenti...
I think the time I went up there with Sky and Dave there wasn't much more going on than midnight river fords, pantless devil's club schwacking, and curling up on the ground to get snowed on and wait for dawn.
To me, the issue of interest here is not whether or not Snoqualmie Mountain is a "big" mountain, but how each bc skier applies their individual level of cautiousness to their decision making in the mountains. MW88888888 outlined the factors that went into making his decision, and this decision meshed with his level of cautiousness. To me it is useful to learn how other people think about these issues - I believe that this makes me a more independent thinker, not less. Although I will n...
Bill Degenhardt broke his hip in an avalanche on Mt Snoqualmie in 1954. He was one of the most experienced mountaineers of his day. The following page has a photo of the rescue:
http://www.mountaineers.org/nwmj/05/051_Bauer3.html
My brother Gordy and a friend did a dawn patrol on Mt Snoqualmie a few years ago. Conditions were icy and Gordy's friend fell during the descent and was injured. Gordy went for help and even though his friend was almost within shouting distance of the park...
http://www.mountaineers.org/nwmj/05/051_Bauer3.html
My brother Gordy and a friend did a dawn patrol on Mt Snoqualmie a few years ago. Conditions were icy and Gordy's friend fell during the descent and was injured. Gordy went for help and even though his friend was almost within shouting distance of the park...
No way, I hear the hardcore skiers go to Snoqualmie.
Also, hyakbc says that Snoqualmie is no place for beginners (pg 3 or 4?).
http://talk.splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=1770&start=0
Also, hyakbc says that Snoqualmie is no place for beginners (pg 3 or 4?).
http://talk.splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=1770&start=0
I think I'm just irritable cause I carried my skis for 30 some odd miles and didn't make a single turn.....hahahahaha.
BUT
We need to keep a perspective on things here. Regardless of your skiing abilities Snoqualmie Mtn is not a big peak nor does it take big cajones to follow someone's skin track to the top of it, especially in beautiful weather and with very low avie risk.
BWTFDIK?
BUT
We need to keep a perspective on things here. Regardless of your skiing abilities Snoqualmie Mtn is not a big peak nor does it take big cajones to follow someone's skin track to the top of it, especially in beautiful weather and with very low avie risk.
BWTFDIK?
Teleross, from all accounts you are a much better skier than I and certainly I have enjoyed many a post reading your comments but I confess a bit of a "ouch" factor in reading some words in your post. These words Perchance obscure some of your seemingly pertinent thoughts and ideas.
Methinks we all take our own track, and it's even better when we get to share them. Your hill is my Mtn. I of course know little and say it poorly.
Methinks we all take our own track, and it's even better when we get to share them. Your hill is my Mtn. I of course know little and say it poorly.
big cajones are an objective hazard.
Big cajones, give me a fucking break dude....It's Snoqualmie Mountain. It's right next to the road. Its 6000' tall. Sure it can kill you but so can just about anything if you're a big enough moron.
Wow-debate-its about time. I've seen some seriously risky behavior posted on TAY that gets nothing but admiration. Its about time safety issues were discussed.
Bummed however to see sarcasm and ridicule appear in the shire. Maybe Snoqualmie ain't so big, but it sure could kill you.
Nice though to finally see more than just envy of someone with big cojones. Good work.
Bummed however to see sarcasm and ridicule appear in the shire. Maybe Snoqualmie ain't so big, but it sure could kill you.
Nice though to finally see more than just envy of someone with big cojones. Good work.
Although what I'm into now is hiking into remote locations, then sleeping all day and then hiking back out.
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;)
The point wasn't just to hike our asses in there to drink some whiskey, although that's not such a bad ambition. Screw carrying the skis and climbing gear all the way in there, think of how much tequila and whiskey we could pack in if we left all that worthless stuff at home.
Thanks for the info. Again, nice trip. I really like the pick of the skier and the vally of fog.
Nice pictures and great timing!! Must be pretty cool to have this entire valley to yourselves!
Sounds like you guys go really far for a little bit of fun. Although, getting drunk in the mountains is always fun, for some. I would never travel that far just to have a drink, though. Nice pic of Ragged Ridge. Things look pretty boney up there. Good job...my knees hurt just thinking about your trip.