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Way to go Kam and Allyson.  Yikes those thorny shrubs look nasty.  In addition to your kevlar vest, it might not hurt to wear your helmet and goggles on the next outing.
You know what grandma always said, "everyone is laughing and having a good time until someone gets their eye poked out".  :D
Cool picture . . . you weren't going to try to call this "patch skiing" were you?
How sad to lose folks like Kathy, Hope, and Miss Dish at such an early age.

I hope that we're finally at a point where the culture that incented that great piece by Miss Dish has largely disappeared w/in the mountaineering community.

And I think Ron has it right - don't be doing too many "all women tours" or else us guys will be in big trouble...
Thanks for the additional info. Phil...
Looks like the snowshoe track didn't stay in the ravine, but rather cut SW steeply up-slope to the top of Morning Star Peak...
You may enjoy this...

Lowell, I always enjoy your contributions and the wisdom of others you share with us all. Thanks.
We walked across the highway for a beer at the pass to celebrate this first (for us) all women tour.


Great report! Congrats on your trip.

You may enjoy this essay written by Kathy Phibbs. Kathy was one of the founders of Women Climbers Northwest. Kathy created an alter-ego called Miss Dish who was the author of some of her best essays. Here's one:

I walked into that area once in summer, to check it out.  I started going up that ravine, and it sucked.  I went into the dense trees to its left (exactly like you did), and soon gave up.  

Then I walked back to the fork, and hiked up the other branch (to the east).  Much easier travel, but then you end up kind of high above the valley, caught above cliffs.

It's a jungle in there



Probably the...
Nice. Thanks for sharing. Was it the sort of crust that could cut your face if you fell and broke it? If so, extra points.
Way to bag the knob! ;D
..did you get to the midpoint where the stream forks? There looks to be a brushy median (east side of stream) and cliffs on the west side from Morningstar. I wonder if the stream bed itself ever gets completely covered past that point...

Not sure which stream "fork" the midpoint would be (as the crow flies, we were over 3/4 of the way to our initial planned destination from starting at the Mountain Loop Highway), our turn-around point was...
Nice report and pictures, Jeff.  Too bad we were not able to stay longer in the area around McNeil Point.
cool photo. reminds me of the Jerry Garcia with banjo shot...
I'll stick to my original thoughts: a litre of coffee and a good report is excellent style and I applaud this person. The rest of this discussion is a bit too "arm-chair quarterback."
Paul - I think we agree. If he has the skills and made good judgments along the way, then no problem for him. Of course.

If you travel well w/o much water, I'm envious, as that doesn't work out as well for me. I tend to dehydrate easily (I sweat a lot, could be the extra fat layer I carry around), and am mindful of what the CO SAR guys told me about how often dehydration figured into hypothermia which factored into more acute injuries or other accidents. Plus I just feel crappy w/o hydrat...
A three hour tour....A three hour tour.....
we all know how that one ended.....hahahahha
Wow, Jim, you sure seem to be getting awfully fired up here. TAY is far more civil than most boards, but snide comments are still just that. There's no need to be so defensive.

My opinion is that if MW8888 has the skills to assess the snowpack and terrain to his satisfaction, I don't have any reason to think that his dawn patrol was unduly risky.

As for the water issue, I skied for seven hours yesterday and drank less than a quart of tea. I would not turn back from a three hour tou...
Good conversation....Having gone up snoqualmie several times on my own also...I can see why people do it. Accidents and avalanches can happen anywhere as we all know. Its a good thing we have the internet to help make choices a bit easier....but there will always be an "incident" factor out there no matter the conditions. Experience can help in controlling the factor but not remove it.
I agree with that. Otherwise I wouldn't have much fun making untracked turns!

It's interesting to watch folks go through changes after taking an avy class - at first everything is scary, but then people often seem to cross into a zone where they are perhaps too confident of their assessment ability. Then if they're lucky, they have a near miss and rebalance a bit back toward caution, but with at least guarded optimism that lets them have lotsa calculated fun. I've both read this from the...
Anyway I think we can all agree that lots of snow means you assume high avalanche danger until you know otherwise, from firsthand experience or from a trusted source.  But there are specific signs and symptoms of avy potential, and it's more valuable to recognize these than to go around with a nonspecific sentiment of apprehension.  If you think everything is dangerous, then you don't actually know what is dangerous.  It is like the Tao of avalanche.

ps. I bought an avalung...
No, I have no idea what you skied around that time, username, nor how carefully you assessed what you did ski, nor how solid your assessment skills are.

I'm only pointing out that the NWAC stated hazard levels for the day were neither "low" nor the apparently new "very low" which others claimed of the day. Since pbelitz's and teleross' posts which stated the hazard levels in these terms were not specific in stating that they meant specific slopes that they had skied/t...
revisionism


Are you suggesting that I or others skied something that we thought had a high risk of avalanche?  I can't speak for others but I assure you that this is not the case!
NWAC avalanche forecasts are a good resource definitely.  However as anyone knows who travels regularly in the mountains, avalanche conditions are very localized phenomena, and from being up on Mt Snoqualmie a day or two before I would say that the avalanche danger was very low on the westerly aspect up which the skin track ascends, while on northerly facing slopes there had been some wind deposited snow that had formed some small pocket slabs, although not enough to be much of a concern.
I saw a pocket slab that broke loose from a SW aspect(presumably a natural release - no evidence of human travel near it) on a ridge top (at about 5600 near but not at Snoqualmie Peak) a couple days after this trip date. So snow had been blowing and settling into spots where there was a sliding surface, at least in places.

In any case, the NWAC had posted something above "low" or the new "very low" hazard level for the day, and I frankly trust their analysis more than...
Honestly though, did anyone witness any slides?  Was there any slide layer to speak of?  Slab? (I mean, we stuck to mostly trees and lower-angle terrain...)
I guess that some people's "moderate to considerable" is other people's "low" or even "very low"
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Thanks for diplomatically pointing out the orwellian word games that went on in at least two of the posts here, mr. smith.

I'll re-state a point worth re-stating. I respect that we all draw the lines differently. What I don't respect is people who make fun of those who draw the lines differently from themselves. This is a bad dynamic, especially if yo...
thanks to (almost) all for an interesting discussion.

i have two (mabee) interesting factoids to add:

did you know that the human body metabolizes 2 quarts of water every 24 hours at rest when outdoors in the winter?

avalance danger for 12/8 was moderate down low but considerable up high per the NWWAC (in case you thought it was low that day)
 People go over north to Barret Spur to ski too, no?

Yup. Barret Spur has great skiing though access is a bit protracted.
Cyril,

Remember the good times baby!  Right after a beautiful night of sleeping in the fetal position on a trail in the middle of a barrage of wet snowfall, we got to ski awesome pow at WaPass like so: click and clickety-click.
Good observations, Woz.
Thanks.
Nicley-written TR, I'm lovin' the 'tude.
Very nice.  I spent a lot of time hiking those trails and exploring those ridges back in college.  Those are fantastic hikes in the summer and fall.  People go over north to Barret Spur to ski too, no?
Ah yes, despite the frigid wind, it really was a wonderful day, even without the boys :)

Pics to come shortly...

~Lara
Nice job sniffing out the goods, Russ.
Looks like next Sunday will bring all new challenges, eh?
Way to sniff out the goods, Jess and Lara.
You don't need no stinkin' men, to get in a tour.   ;)
On the the other hand, we need the fem's along to keep our testosterone in check, among other things. ???
[edited to change date to Sunday, which is when I went...]
You seem to know the virtues of having heavily explored an area to the point where you know what slopes might be good on any given day, Ron. It sure pays off on days like yesterday if you're looking for turns instead of just tours...

Yeah, let's just hope that we get some heavy orographic showers with dropping levels at the end of this next wave. Sounds like a yucky Xmas weekend...

EXTENDED FORECAST FOR WEDNESDAY THROUGH...
Nice report, Jim.
Glad there was still some goods in there for the "bloodhound" in you.
Guess we'll have a "whole new ball game" now with this week's coming weather, eh?
I should probably respond on TTips about the trees, but those look like Hemlocks.  I've spent many days in the Willamette Pass area and Hemlocks are prevalent on that mountain.

Thanks, and no problem helping identify the trees here. I just posed the question on TTips because I thought there was a lot of forest-types there.
Nice report Jeff.  It's nice to see a report from a seldom visited area on Mt. Hood.  Great pictures as well.  I should probably respond on TTips about the trees, but those look like Hemlocks.  I've spent many days in the Willamette Pass area and Hemlocks are prevalent on that mountain.  The pics are a bit far away, but the trees look very similar.........correct branching, flat needles, similar bark, etc.
Thanks for the report in that general direction Chris- I have had my eye on that valley for awhile!

It is tricky get the variables of coverage, stability, and access to all converge up there... but the head of the valley does look amazing! Looking at the arial photo, did you get to the midpoint where the stream forks? There looks to be a brushy median (east side of stream) and cliffs on the west side from Morningstar. I wonder if the stream bed itself ever gets completely covered past tha...
That's pretty much the way it's always been, except it was only $5 for the one ride ticket.  The other areas that provide backcountry lift access are all at $10 (or more) now, so I guess I can understand them raising the price.
Probably of greater impact to bc skiers, more than the price increase though, is the reduced operations of C-4 (the Quicksilver lift).  My inquiry on the subject to CM received a response that the mountain manager intends to  only run C-4 when deemed nec...
It was a fun day out. As always when skiing with Chris, the day was full of laughs. Here are a few more pictures:

Chris crosses a stream in the woods.
We had great view of Sperry Peak on the approach.
Chris skis the last pitch fr...
THE_MAN: Aren't we all here to "get the beta on ski tours and snow conditions"? A well written trip report will always contain these elements, but beyond that it's a matter of personal style. I enjoy the many unique styles of the different contributors to this forum, and like I said above, I find it useful when a trip reporter let's the reader into their mind regarding decisions they made in the mountains.

Surfers who are searching for "look at me pleas for attention...


especially when it is used in ski mode for descents


You mean they are not susceptible to my camouflage?
Yeah but why are they trying to kill me?!!  ???


It has been determined that you are "wasting powder" on that splitboard contraption, especially when it is used in ski mode for descents in bottomless fluff.  That is the reason you have been targeted for elimination.
Yeah but why are they trying to kill me?!!  ???
 I come to TAY to get the beta on ski tours and snow conditions


You come to TAY to get beta on ski tours and snow conditions, and then criticize people who provide just that?  >:(

Why don't you post something useful.  Such as, beta and snow conditions.
I can't believe I came back from two days of skiing to find that this post is still being discussed.
I happen to know that MW8888888 posts on this site to share conditions with others and his experiences with myself and his other friends across the states. Any other motives you might attribute to them are more reflective of your own state of mind than his.
Thanks for all the good discussion on this. And thanks to Charles for being the voice of reason and keeping this site a comfortable pl...