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It certainly does seem that on the internet it is easy for one person's discussion to be another person's criticism. I guess it takes a certain skill to contribute to an internet "discussion" in a way that minimizes the chances that it will be seen instead as "criticism". The culture of the specific forum must also come into play, and in this regard, given the "discussion" oriented nature of this forum, it would help if readers would generally give the "discuss...
Joking aside, I think it is an interesting question about what the relative dangers are when skiing. There probably aren't very good stats for this overall. Skiing at a lift area seems to introduce a significant hazard of collision, with other skiers and with hard objects. Overall, driving would seem to be one of the most hazardous activities that the average person does, and driving while tired would seem likely to increase the hazard. But I wonder how this compares to the hazards of injury/dea...
Thanks, Lowell. I realized (after all my posts above) that:
a) Samminator was right, I needed a nap. Decaf helped. :)
but
b) I'm re-learning something I found out when moving from Boston to the PNW - that I grew up working things out by sharing thoughts and debating and the culture was that this is just a way to help each other think by pushing each other a bit, but out here I've found many folks take that approach as criticism or otherwise as a negative. Lowell, username,...
a) Samminator was right, I needed a nap. Decaf helped. :)
but
b) I'm re-learning something I found out when moving from Boston to the PNW - that I grew up working things out by sharing thoughts and debating and the culture was that this is just a way to help each other think by pushing each other a bit, but out here I've found many folks take that approach as criticism or otherwise as a negative. Lowell, username,...
I applaud Jim for raising the questions that were in my head as well, because it may not seem like it from my TR, but the decision to go on was a challenging one.
I think the people taking pot shots from various sides of this discussion should note that MW88888888, the original poster, has consistently expressed his appreciation of Jim Oker's safety questions. Seems like a non-issue to me.
Now I know why I've stopped posting trips - a nice report, some humorous adds followed by a flurry of uninvited criticisms. (unless the purpose of a post is to provide a target)
While Jim may have some good reasons for making a different decision if he were there - he wasn't there and the decision wasn't his to make.
Jim, when you report your future trips, I'm sure we'll be happy to hear the basis for decisions you made. We might not even tell you that you were wrong!
While Jim may have some good reasons for making a different decision if he were there - he wasn't there and the decision wasn't his to make.
Jim, when you report your future trips, I'm sure we'll be happy to hear the basis for decisions you made. We might not even tell you that you were wrong!
Are you sure it's kosher to send that through the mail?
I eagerly await its arrival. With a name like Jarvis, it's got to be good.
I eagerly await its arrival. With a name like Jarvis, it's got to be good.
Jim and Sky: Jarvis Jelly
A little known fact is that JJ is not just an awesome skiing aid, but an all around multipurpose backcountry solution for just about any problem which might present itself. It's nanotube technology ensures that these common concerns you have expressed (with the exception of the serious hazard relating to the drive home) become just figments of an overconcerned mind. Vince and I took the precauti...
A little known fact is that JJ is not just an awesome skiing aid, but an all around multipurpose backcountry solution for just about any problem which might present itself. It's nanotube technology ensures that these common concerns you have expressed (with the exception of the serious hazard relating to the drive home) become just figments of an overconcerned mind. Vince and I took the precauti...
Nice post Tony! And great video work as well. I knew those were pretty epic conditions requiring sequential dawn partrols, and the video sure brings it back!
As for all the differing viewpoints it's good to see and discuss.
B
As for all the differing viewpoints it's good to see and discuss.
B
Wow!
I think some people need naps.
MW....Great Photo.....Glad you were there to get the shot! 8)
I think some people need naps.
MW....Great Photo.....Glad you were there to get the shot! 8)
:)
I'm with ya on the logs, Sky. One of my only two ski injuries of note (as in needing some pro medical attention, both were at lift areas, by the way - perhaps something about risk calculations when there's a clinic a short slide away) was due to log-impact while being one turn too greedy for freshies in the trees. Kinda cool in a way - I saw I was in trouble, butt-planted, but had gone just a little too far so one of my arms smacked against a log. PAIN!! I put my weight on the arm to s...
I'm with ya on the logs, Sky. One of my only two ski injuries of note (as in needing some pro medical attention, both were at lift areas, by the way - perhaps something about risk calculations when there's a clinic a short slide away) was due to log-impact while being one turn too greedy for freshies in the trees. Kinda cool in a way - I saw I was in trouble, butt-planted, but had gone just a little too far so one of my arms smacked against a log. PAIN!! I put my weight on the arm to s...
paul and monika--nice trek! and awesome photos to show for it. you guys are such rockstars. 8)
oh yeah, and way to attack that alder!
oh yeah, and way to attack that alder!
funny, that's right where I grew up. made trips all winter by bike to that Columbia golf course for classic and skating and sliding since I was little.
Nice hills there for those Minnesota plains
:)
Nice hills there for those Minnesota plains
:)
Nice trip! I love that photo looking east with McGregor and Oval.
>:( Ah, well. There's goes a beautiful relationship!
Well, Mr. Scott, you just claimed first place in the all time best-first-post contest! From which side do you access WA Pass?
Charles,
I'd like to hear more about your decision-making process. Did you take any precautions between using the 'fish scales' and eating your next snack? ??? I wouldn't want to see you catch Salmonella. However, this is unfamiliar equipment to me so maybe my thinking's just not quite right. I just want to understand.
I think I've had more close calls with logs than just about anything else. Tripping, slipping, getting skewered, catching a tip, YIKES!...
I'd like to hear more about your decision-making process. Did you take any precautions between using the 'fish scales' and eating your next snack? ??? I wouldn't want to see you catch Salmonella. However, this is unfamiliar equipment to me so maybe my thinking's just not quite right. I just want to understand.
I think I've had more close calls with logs than just about anything else. Tripping, slipping, getting skewered, catching a tip, YIKES!...
Wow, huge change from Thurs, when I did not see any avalanche debris at the hairpin. I am hoping that things settle down there for next weekend. BTW, if you frequent the WA Pass area, I am looking for a backcountry skiing partner(s). I have a Yamaha Rhino side by side atv with tracks, and so can get up to the WA Pass/Rainy Pass areas with relative ease (just a bit noisy). David
It was raining soooo hard,I had a new digital camera,not knowing its tolerance for moisture resistance,I decieded to protect it until I was sure . Sorry.
Pictures? Video? Sounds like quite a show!
Lowell:
Similar conditions exist in Milwaukee, WI. Glad to hear others are enjoying skiing in the Midwest. Beats not skiing all to hell!
Similar conditions exist in Milwaukee, WI. Glad to hear others are enjoying skiing in the Midwest. Beats not skiing all to hell!
looks fun!! I'm actually in Charlottesville, VA right now for a few days... unfortunately we wont be skiing, as my bro and his family are busy moving into a new house and all, but.. it's cool to hear about Seattle folks gettin the goods nearby! 8)
Merry Christmas all.
Merry Christmas all.
VERY nice! I'm gonna have to go there sometime. Anyone want to join me for it, some time in January?
Oh yeah.. hope ya don't mind I used one of your pics for my desktop wallpaper. ;D
Oh yeah.. hope ya don't mind I used one of your pics for my desktop wallpaper. ;D
Hey Kam - what's this about grabbing thorn bushes? Your too good to be dumpin' speed - don't give me that ;)
Hey that coverage is what our lower level snows will be looking like if these temps keep up....definitely a sad sign............
Hey that coverage is what our lower level snows will be looking like if these temps keep up....definitely a sad sign............
Jess, Lara, and ladies:
Nice job on the tour. (Jess: Nice writing! Great stories are tough to come by.)
Are you planning a water ski trip for this next weekend? I'm hoping that this pattern of frigidity, followed by liquidity, isn't a portend from last January!
Ski soon...GregLange
Nice job on the tour. (Jess: Nice writing! Great stories are tough to come by.)
Are you planning a water ski trip for this next weekend? I'm hoping that this pattern of frigidity, followed by liquidity, isn't a portend from last January!
Ski soon...GregLange
tony, that is a fantasy video - awesome stuff! I knew there'd be a horse somewhere under this pile of manure!
Hey, relax, only kidding. great thread! mw888888888, sweet post that started it off, keep em coming. love that peek inside the turn-hungry-head's internal monologue. enjoyed most of the avy danger discussion too. solo travel requires some real thought and measured risk assessment.
everyone who tried to be funny, you were. anyone who got a...
Hey, relax, only kidding. great thread! mw888888888, sweet post that started it off, keep em coming. love that peek inside the turn-hungry-head's internal monologue. enjoyed most of the avy danger discussion too. solo travel requires some real thought and measured risk assessment.
everyone who tried to be funny, you were. anyone who got a...
... I'm still waiting for the Patches all year calendar to come out...
ooh, be patient.... muuuhhhaaaa...
It is coming "round midnight" and Coltrane is playing on shoutcast. Go figure.
Money see monkey do sometimes. Look at the trend of skiing in the last storm. A few friends make a skin-track after getting kicked out of Alpental and move their self propelled skiing to the face on the other side of the lot.
Conditions were excellent but began to degrade after 4 days of snow falling. Sky and Ross hit the slot and broke trail for the last thousand or so feet to get it. They ne...
Money see monkey do sometimes. Look at the trend of skiing in the last storm. A few friends make a skin-track after getting kicked out of Alpental and move their self propelled skiing to the face on the other side of the lot.
Conditions were excellent but began to degrade after 4 days of snow falling. Sky and Ross hit the slot and broke trail for the last thousand or so feet to get it. They ne...
Nice job getting in the Virginia turns, Kam.
ps. I'm still waiting for the Patches all year calendar to come out...
ps. I'm still waiting for the Patches all year calendar to come out...
Does anyone have any good links to info on touring in Idaho near Boise? I'm there for work & may bring the skis for the weekend if I can.
Due to low battery juice due to frigid weather, only a few pics were taken (most unfortunate-no shots of us in our bikinis!) Enjoy!
http://static.flickr.com/41/76148764_b80a3fd1d5.jpg Stevens Pass
http://static.flickr.com/39/76148759_a1f426a9eb.jpg Good Morning Jessica
http://static.flickr.com/43/76148760_0c3950be1b.jpg Lara’s Powder Push Attempt
http://static.flickr.com/42/76148762_e61cc35008.jpg &nbs...
http://static.flickr.com/41/76148764_b80a3fd1d5.jpg Stevens Pass
http://static.flickr.com/39/76148759_a1f426a9eb.jpg Good Morning Jessica
http://static.flickr.com/43/76148760_0c3950be1b.jpg Lara’s Powder Push Attempt
http://static.flickr.com/42/76148762_e61cc35008.jpg &nbs...
Fantastic to hear you're getting some goods while in Wisconsin-way to go! I never expected anything less from you. Merry Christmas to you and the family!
~Lara
~Lara
nice pictures. They reminded me of when were in that area about 3 years ago, when we circumnavigated Mt Hood on skis, clockwise from Timberline. The northwest corner of Mount Hood feels very wild, even in summer. About as far from Meadows as you can get I suppose!
You guys are almost (almost) making me miss the golf course and adjacent woods in Salem MA where I used to get in my quick fixes when the weather had smiled.
Love the one you're with, indeed.
Love the one you're with, indeed.
I don't know, sounds scary. You might have slipped a ski tip under a hidden log...
;)
Way to keep up the spirit of the quiet tour, Charles! I wonder if the "belly dragger" was an animal dragging another (presumably dead) animal? Would that fit what you saw?
;)
Way to keep up the spirit of the quiet tour, Charles! I wonder if the "belly dragger" was an animal dragging another (presumably dead) animal? Would that fit what you saw?
Nice pics, Jeff! Sounds like a great outing!
About the trees...
The most likely options are Noble Fir, Hemlock (that elev is near the western and mountain transition), White Pine or Grand Fir. The crown looks like classic Noble Fir but the bark looks more like White Pine or Grand Fir. My money would still be on Noble. The comparison photo is mostly Doug Fir (Pseudotsuga menzesii) with what looks like a White Pine in the lower left. Of course I haven't b...
About the trees...
The most likely options are Noble Fir, Hemlock (that elev is near the western and mountain transition), White Pine or Grand Fir. The crown looks like classic Noble Fir but the bark looks more like White Pine or Grand Fir. My money would still be on Noble. The comparison photo is mostly Doug Fir (Pseudotsuga menzesii) with what looks like a White Pine in the lower left. Of course I haven't b...
Oh - that essay is great! Thanks for posting that Lowell, and nice report sheispiste and Lara.
oh, i can't wait for the next dump to fill up this gem!
Kam, looks like powerlines/firebreaks could be your east version of patches? ;) I can see the calendar now...sweet!
I'll go back there with you next time the conditions line up. It looks like there is an interesting sequence on couloirs and ramps that link high up on Del Campo. Morningstar in particalar has some unique slabby rock formations at the head of the valley, a bit reminiscent of that peak we saw in New Zealand above the Aspiring trailhead.
This sorta reminds me of the year I spent in St Louis, skiing on frozen golf courses...
hmmm...you just gave me a good idear...!
oh, i can't wait for the next dump to fill up this gem! ;D
hey nice photos everyone! that place looks pretty sweet. the glittery snow, the shining sun...you guys look like you should be in a catalog! ;)
You know what grandma always said, "everyone is laughing and having a good time until someone gets their eye poked out". :D
thankfully there was no eye-pokage issues on this trip...though it was close a couple times. ;) with a couple more feet of fresh pow, that hill would have some real potential! not bad for for va though, glad i brought my skis afterall--at least just to say we skied a not-big-hardly-bald knob...
Nice job, guys. It definitely wasn't just crust and doom out there this past weekend. Good job proving it!
There was powder in the hills. Very well hidden, but we're just the guys to find it.
Note your rooster tail, Ron.

Note your rooster tail, Ron.
Good TR, Ron. He's a photo of the Glacier. A fine view day, if you could stand upright.

This sorta reminds me of the year I spent in St Louis, skiing on frozen golf courses...
Glad you're still getting out in VA. Way to keep on keepin' on.
Glad you're still getting out in VA. Way to keep on keepin' on.
Lowell,
Thanks for reminding us of Hope and Kathy. It rekindled the memory of my first visit to Whistler with Hope and Sprague "way back when." They pioneered numerous firsts. Sprague's whitewater kayak adventures were legendary. It appears that Sprague and family will return to the Northwest from his assigment in France.
Zap
Thanks for reminding us of Hope and Kathy. It rekindled the memory of my first visit to Whistler with Hope and Sprague "way back when." They pioneered numerous firsts. Sprague's whitewater kayak adventures were legendary. It appears that Sprague and family will return to the Northwest from his assigment in France.
Zap
Is there anything harder on the eyes than Spanaway after a day in beautiful MRNP? Nails, Loans, Bail Bonds, 7-11, Repeat, Nails, Loans, Bail Bonds, 7-11, Repeat...
yes...south hill, Puyallup!