TAY Atmosphere

The junkyard dog personality,ridiculously characterized here recently as merely a misunderstood puppy, is readily contained by admin if it is so inclined - TOS, and all that.  In fact, it must (and has).

What I find offensive, however, is the repeated use of illogical logic.  Faux logic - thinly connected or disconnected assertions, strung together in a failed attempt to prove cause and effect, always with clearly intended negative tone toward an individual or the community.

Marcus, we need new software here, anyway, as a springboard for greater content, and efficient hosting.  Get us one with an 'ignore' button, and you can have my $1000.

What I find offensive, however, is the repeated use of illogical logic.  Faux logic - thinly connected or disconnected assertions, strung together in a failed attempt to prove cause and effect, always with clearly intended negative tone toward an individual or the community.

Thanks David, I think this is more annoying than name calling. Hard to moderate though. Do we have the patience to continually counter faulty logic? Would it help or are only enhancing the button?

Termites.

Termites gnawing on the house.  Finding any trace of bad wood and attacking it to undermine the structure. 

Scotsman shares the shocking fact that Marcus, in moment I am sure he now regrets, once patted PNWBrit on the back for one of his snarky posts.  That was long before Marcus took over TAY. Is this fact germaine to his efforts today in what everybody agrees is a very difficult task? I don't think so.  But it's a tiny piece of dead wood.  A weakness to exploit.

And now Scotsman is proposing that the entire house be torn down and replaced with a new one.  Un.  Be.  Lievable.  And what assurance do we have that if we built this new house the termites would not attack it as well?

Scotsman, I have an alternative suggestion.  Build your own house.  See how that goes for you.  You might create something really worthwhile. Most of us are satisfied with the house we have.

My enormous thanks go to Charles, who built TAY, and to Marcus and Ron J., who have been willing to keep it standing.  I perceive that Ron has found the termite fighting pretty frustrating of late, and I sympathize. 

Termites.

Termites gnawing on the house.  Finding any trace of bad wood and attacking it to undermine the structure. 

Scotsman shares the shocking fact that Marcus, in moment I am sure he now regrets, once patted PNWBrit on the back for one of his snarky posts.  That was long before Marcus took over TAY. Is this fact germaine to his efforts today in what everybody agrees is a very difficult task? I don't think so.  But it's a tiny piece of dead wood.  A weakness to exploit.

And now Scotsman is proposing that the entire house be torn down and replaced with a new one.  Un.  Be.  Lievable.  And what assurance do we have that if we built this new house the termites would not attack it as well?

Scotsman, I have an alternative suggestion.  Build your own house.  See how that goes for you.  You might create something really worthwhile, instead of just dragging things down.  Most of us are satisfied with the house we have.

My enormous thanks go to Charles, who built TAY, and to Marcus and Ron J., who have been willing to keep it standing.  I perceive that Ron has found the termite fighting pretty frustrating of late, and I sympathize. 

Lowell, as I read your posts I find myself thinking that you are contributing to the very problem that you are complaining about by personalizing it. If you don't agree with what Scot's is saying, why not just say that without the color commentary, which just takes it step down the road in the wrong direction?

I think most will agree that TAY is too valuable a resource to remain in private ownership and allow it's owners to run it as they see fit as per RonJ's model.
This is no reflection upon Marcus as I think if it has to be in private ownership then Marcus is probably the most benign.

TAY is too valuable to allow mob rule.

Personally, I think a lot of what makes TAY special is its dictatorial governance and history of  (relatively) strict moderation and enforced civility. I understand that some feel that the strict moderation has been applied unfairly and non-uniformly. I don't doubt that it has, and some folks likely have legitimate beefs. But, as I said above, TAY is still by far my favorite place on the internet. Charles' predilections have always differed substantially from mine (I love more than 3 pictures, name calling, jokes, strong opinions, etc.). But I think it is clear that TAY became what it did b/c Charles enforced his sensibilities instead of just letting the tone be set by the posters.

I also think that the moderation style of TAY does discourage participation by some, as LeeLau alluded to. I am disappointed he has chosen to effectively leave TAY. I don't think he is alone. But ... folks that want a looser discussion forum have several other places to go where the culture is significantly different. I enjoy those places, too. I don't want TAY to turn into one of them. As others have said, letting the majority rule also drives some people off. No tone will satisfy all.

You can't play music in a library and you can't cuss on TAY. What's this difference between these two assertions?

Lowell, as I read your posts I find myself thinking that you are contributing to the very problem that you are complaining about by personalizing it. If you don't agree with what Scot's is saying, why not just say that without the color commentary, which just takes it step down the road in the wrong direction?

You may be right. If the moderators choose to delete any of my posts, especially the last one, I will accept that without complaint.

I see that you now acknowledge we have a problem. That's progress.