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Ski areas limiting access to terrain
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Then buy a lift ticket.i would rather see people learn to ski first and venture into the side country in order to learn the ropes before getting into terrain that they don't understand.
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A fine, but rhetorical, idea. How exactly is the average ski tourer supposed to get to this terrain? Most of us can't go heli skiing all winter. Nor do we have snowmobiles - and the trailers and big rigs and the storage space they require. As well, most of us are not macho supermen that can get to the more remote places in the winter.
The number of bc skiers is expanding, access is diminishing, do the math.
If you mean parking, then sure, it's super hard and access is limited. But if there's parking, ski touring in a way that avoids grooming and downhill traffic is exceptionally easy. Kendall, Snoqualmie, yodelin, smithbrook, etc etc etc. Yet, almost every time I ski inbounds, which is thankfully little these days, you'll see someone skinning up groomed runs somewhere idiotic. You DO NOT need to use groomed ski runs to easily access tons of tours in the Cascades. Parking might be a problem at Baker, but hasn't never been for me anywhere else. Non-ski area access to touring isn't a huge problem. Sure, we'd all like more, but there are far more important things in life.
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If you mean parking, then sure, it's super hard and access is limited. But if there's parking, ski touring in a way that avoids grooming and downhill traffic is exceptionally easy. Kendall, Snoqualmie, yodelin, smithbrook, etc etc etc. Yet, almost every time I ski inbounds, which is thankfully little these days, you'll see someone skinning up groomed runs somewhere idiotic. You DO NOT need to use groomed ski runs to easily access tons of tours in the Cascades. Parking might be a problem at Baker, but hasn't never been for me anywhere else. Non-ski area access to touring isn't a huge problem. Sure, we'd all like more, but there are far more important things in life.
I'm only catching the tail end of this discussion, but I think skinning up the edge of a groomed run is totally fine if its allowed by the resort. Not sure exactly what you mean by "somewhere idiotic". Not my preference, but I have done it in a pinch - if you go to the alps people do it all the time since there are way more Ronde racers over there who are looking to bang out some vert and condition, without the commitment of traveling into avalanche terrain. I think our sport should except a variety of touring disciplines and ways to condition.
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I can only comment on Crystal.
The issues there are.
The lift served and avy controlled area at Crystal includes Silver Basin up to 3 wayExit Chute
Crystal grooms a path from the top of Quicksilver chair to the runout at Silver Basin to facilitate lift riders return to the main ski area, the" airstrip" .
Ski tourers( mainly TAYERS..and very well known ones at that) have been using this easy access path to skin and tour in Silver Basin when active avalanche control work was happening. How is that defendable?
Apart from the idiocy of that, putting a skin track up Silver Basin while it is open to the lift accessed public from above shows a total disregard for other people. I have seen TAYERS skinning up Silver Basin while skiers waited above for them to get out of the way.
I have seen 3 TAYERS skinning up the center of Rolling Knolls ( one of the most popular blue runs at Crystal)...on a busy Saturday!!!
A week ago we saw a hero putting a skin track up Cambell Basin while the ski area and Chair 6 was open. After being shouted at by us he stopped.
Two weeks ago a person was photographed skinning up the Throne Bootpack.. While it was being used by lift skiers.
This blatant abuse by these morons has caused Crystal to change their policy.
When the red light is not flashing you can still used the edge of Quicksilver to access the Crystal BC...just not the Silver Basin to 3 way area. Call patrol before you leave and just turn left at the top of Quicksilver and head towards Pickhandle Area or Bad Ass Shoulder but don't use the groomed "airstrip".
When the red light is flashing..sorry but access up Quicksilver is not allowed... so go elsewhere such as Bullion Basin, East Peak , Norse Peak Wilderness area.
All can be accessed from Upper lot C.
Its got nothing to do with greed or Crystal trying to increase revenue...it's just common fucking sense.
Nearly all the the patrollers and management at Crystal are avid ski tourers themselves.
Pretty easy.
If the attraction of skiing Silver Basin is that you want to ski tour (????) in an avy controlled area....(please hand in your ski tourer badge) then buy a ticket like the rest of us and ski it from the top. Even in the Alps..if you want to ski the Valley Blanche... you have buy a ticket to the top of the Aquille du Midi.( i guess you could skin up the Mer de Glace)
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There's a ski touring badge?
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