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snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
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12 years 4 weeks ago #219814
by T. Eastman
Replied by T. Eastman on topic Re: snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
Likely a large segment of the older skiing population fled the slopes and the younger ones started backcountry skiing when the rage of SBing was in full swing...
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12 years 4 weeks ago #219815
by Kyle Miller
Replied by Kyle Miller on topic Re: snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
The reason they don't have snowboarders at Alta is simply because of the terrain. Most of the popular lines require long sketchy traverses which are all but impossible for snowboards.
Imagine the high traverse at Alpental times 50.
It's about terrain not attitudes.
Also it seems the people of Alta hate Teleskiers more than snowboarders.
Imagine the high traverse at Alpental times 50.
It's about terrain not attitudes.
Also it seems the people of Alta hate Teleskiers more than snowboarders.
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12 years 4 weeks ago #219845
by hankj
Replied by hankj on topic Re: snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
This is my 30th season straight on a snowboard (insert tasteless joke about non-straight skiing prior), so understand that I've seen the sport through its early years when there was almost nowhere to ride.
It's an insult to people who suffer from real discrimination to claim "discrimination" when you aren't allowed to play with the type of toy you like playing with everywhere all the time. Is Alta douchey for not allowing snowboards, and are there a bunch of elitist creeps who revel in that? Sure. But this is not discrimination, and it's an insult to people who are truly discriminated against (to all kinds of oppressive, brutalizing, stultifying consequence) to try and leverage the same set of laws because one ski hill won't let you stand-up sled the way you like. The conversations this group of litigants have had about the case and how they're suffering discrimination must be vomit inducing.
It's an insult to people who suffer from real discrimination to claim "discrimination" when you aren't allowed to play with the type of toy you like playing with everywhere all the time. Is Alta douchey for not allowing snowboards, and are there a bunch of elitist creeps who revel in that? Sure. But this is not discrimination, and it's an insult to people who are truly discriminated against (to all kinds of oppressive, brutalizing, stultifying consequence) to try and leverage the same set of laws because one ski hill won't let you stand-up sled the way you like. The conversations this group of litigants have had about the case and how they're suffering discrimination must be vomit inducing.
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12 years 3 weeks ago #219875
by hyak.net
Replied by hyak.net on topic Re: snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
I've been a snowboarder now for 24 years and over that time I've had to deal with intolerant older skiers as well as annoying young punk boarders. The stigma of snowboarders mostly came in the 90's before widespread snowboarding schools that taught proper mtn etiquette and technique. When I learned there was none of that, we just pointed down the hill and went and had to figure it out. Side slipping is done by the kids who get on hills they can't handle and I hated seeing it as much as a skier.
If the issue at Alta is truly terrain, then let boarders in and it will take care of itself. My first trip to Utah was also my first run in with the "no snowboards allowed". I went to Park City and they told me no, go down the road. I later found out at that time many resorts in Utah didn't allow them, but as time goes by they started opening up.
The past 3 years I've been riding a ski bike and I'm going through a very similar thing as I did in the early 90's with snowboarding. I hear skiers (and only skiers) talking "those should not be allowed up here" and some resorts I hear don't allow them. Most of the attitude is out of ignorance and I just try to be courteous and have fun.
Personally I have zero interest in Alta. I've been to Brighton and Canyons and wouldn't mind doing Snowbird but I'd rather visit resorts that welcome me and want my business. Heck with those with closed minds. Right now I just want some dang snow!
If the issue at Alta is truly terrain, then let boarders in and it will take care of itself. My first trip to Utah was also my first run in with the "no snowboards allowed". I went to Park City and they told me no, go down the road. I later found out at that time many resorts in Utah didn't allow them, but as time goes by they started opening up.
The past 3 years I've been riding a ski bike and I'm going through a very similar thing as I did in the early 90's with snowboarding. I hear skiers (and only skiers) talking "those should not be allowed up here" and some resorts I hear don't allow them. Most of the attitude is out of ignorance and I just try to be courteous and have fun.
Personally I have zero interest in Alta. I've been to Brighton and Canyons and wouldn't mind doing Snowbird but I'd rather visit resorts that welcome me and want my business. Heck with those with closed minds. Right now I just want some dang snow!
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12 years 3 weeks ago #219876
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Replied by Randito on topic Re: snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
My interpretation of the business decision of Alta, Deer Valley and Mad River Glen (the only remaining "no snowboarders") resorts in North America is to create an environment attractive to grumpy skiers that have ingrained negative attitudes against snowboarders.
A few years ago Aspen and Taos made a different business decision to start allowing snowboarders.
It seems quaint -- but the discrimination complaint seems hard to sustain -- after all lift served areas also ban sliding on sleds and snowmobile usage BY non-employees within their permit boundaries and that is hardly a "civil rights" issue either.
A few years ago Aspen and Taos made a different business decision to start allowing snowboarders.
It seems quaint -- but the discrimination complaint seems hard to sustain -- after all lift served areas also ban sliding on sleds and snowmobile usage BY non-employees within their permit boundaries and that is hardly a "civil rights" issue either.
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12 years 3 weeks ago #219883
by Jim Oker
Replied by Jim Oker on topic Re: snowboarders sue Alta, discriminating
Reminds me of young male skiers back in the day... At least they tend to make a little more noise now when they're headed your way!...got slammed in the low back by a stupid one jumping blind where he should not have ...
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