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12 years 5 months ago #210414 by samthaman
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H'mm the Washington Trails Association (WTA.ORG) was formed to deal with cutbacks in Forest Service trail maintenance, perhaps we now need to form the WFRA Washington  Forest Road Association  to maintain forest roads and access.


I'd send a check and donate some time. At a minimum it'd be nice to have a website or blog that reports on developments related to access.

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12 years 5 months ago #210415 by samthaman
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Now there's a shock! ::) Bureaucrats!!... When the world ends all that will be left are cockroaches and bureaucrats, both scavenging off the remains of those that actually created or did anything.

Truly gifted and driven people do not enter these government agencies and as a result they become the depository of mediocrity and those that like the system and hence the system perpetuates and becomes an end to itself.

The future lies with private initiatives by driven people and you can write as many letters and attend as many meetings as you want in the faint hope that change will occur. It will all be in vain and you are wasting your time even talking to them.

Revolution does not occur in the meeting rooms of bureaucrats...it occurs on the front lines and the streets!  Tear down the rancid nests these bureaucrats frequent. Until that occurs you are merely paying lip service and justifying their existence.

phhhheeeew..... I feel better now ! Bring me my meds sweetheart! STAT.


We could form the NR(oad)A! Buy roads before the Government Tries to take them away from you! Access is a right!

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12 years 5 months ago - 12 years 5 months ago #210417 by Gary Vogt
Replied by Gary Vogt on topic Re: Forest Roads: The Future (MBSNF meetings)
Thank you T. Eastman for the reports!  I tend to agree with Scotsman about the futility of letters to Congress or the public meeting process.  The latter probably wouldn't be held at all if they were not legally required and the bureaucrats almost always end up doing what they want to anyway.

I like the idea of volunteer road maintenance groups, but suspect land managers would be concerned about safety and general loss of (the illusion of) control.  Most of them in my experience are frustrated control freaks.  And Scotsman is right about their woeful mediocrity!

Another small form of 'private initiative' is to educate oneself and circle of friends about the deteriorating access situation on our public lands and the frequent unaccountability of federal land managers. The tiny number of climbers and backcountry skiers will have little impact without developing many outside allies.  Each of us must enlist a couple others in the public lands access cause, and hope they in turn do the same.  One person's pointless Internet bitching is another's long-term educational endeavor.

The prospect for future USFS road access indeed sounds gloomy, but on a brighter note, at least we won't be paying 160 people to keep gates locked on roads they have to plow anyway, as here at Mount Rainier.

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12 years 5 months ago #210418 by davidG
where's wmd, err... i mean wmc, when you need him..

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12 years 5 months ago #210420 by David_Coleman
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As if the world isn't going to hell in a handbasket as it is, this is truly depressing news. Well to Scotsman and Andrew's sentiment, I suppose we will be looking forward to climbs from near sea level with marathon approaches. Time to get in contact with those docs of Armstrong that will prescribe HGH, EPO or some other performance enhancers for the big slog!

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12 years 5 months ago #210422 by Markeyz
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Perhaps something along these lines: www.ffpu.org/

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