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Phantom avy info? 04/06/11

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14 years 10 months ago #199582 by checker
Replied by checker on topic Re: Phantom avy info? 04/06/11
This is really fascinating...I've never skied in this area of the Pass, though, so I'm trying to visualize the terrain...does anyone have a photograph or maybe a link to a trip report with pictures?

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14 years 10 months ago #199584 by trees4me
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Thanks for sharing this Marcus. Please don't feel pressured to share more than you want. Many of us are just glad everyone is ok.

I was up there Sunday afternoon, which may have been a bad decision on my part. I'm really anxious to hear your groups decision making for comparison and to see if there were any different signs along the way...

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14 years 10 months ago #199588 by nordique
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This is really fascinating...I've never skied in this area of the Pass, though, so I'm trying to visualize the terrain...does anyone have a photograph or maybe a link to a trip report with pictures?


Here are two photos from the Volken guide, about the Phantom:

www.flickr.com/photos/nordique/5601636571/

www.flickr.com/photos/nordique/5602220626

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14 years 10 months ago #199593 by garyabrill
Replied by garyabrill on topic Re: Phantom avy info? 04/06/11
I am also glad to hear that all in your party are alive and relatively speaking fortunate that nothing worse happened.

I think it is great that you, Marcus, are willing to share some of what you learned from this event. I think to a degree TAY can have the effect of pushing some skiers and boarders to do more really than their experience would suggest as individuals learn about the next great thrill in the backcountry. And sharing trip reports is sometimes just fluff. So, it is great when something of such value is presented as an opportunity for some of the less experienced among us to learn in a way that really comes home and to serve as an important reminder for the more experienced that it can happen anytime we let our guard down.

Fortunately, I think there is a tendency when one does report an incident for the audience to be not judgemental, but rather to just listen and learn.

I think Fresh's reference to Tremper's analogy is a valuable addition to this thread. I know from my own experience that I've had a couple of close calls that fit the Tremper model well.

I sometimes think about Tremper's confidence vs time graph in these situations. One's confidence in avalanche terrain gradually rises over time with periodic crashes when something bad happens. An avalanche ride, serious injury, death of a friend, etc.  I know in my own avy career I have made a few mistakes, had a close call or two, and probably gotten lucky. But I haven't taken a ride or been injured. I know that's no guarantee it won't happen in the future though.


Nordique's posting of the map should help those who don't know Phantom Slide. The press described it as south facing when in reality it is just slightly south of west facing. Phantom slide was created by a large avalanche in 1990 and is just opposite the main Alpental parking lot.

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14 years 10 months ago #199596 by nordique
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Thanks, Gary. I learned a lot about the recent leader ground fall at the Seattle gym from Adam and about how to avoid similar incidents in the future. Incident reports are great learning experiences.

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14 years 10 months ago #199597 by JimG
Replied by JimG on topic Re: Phantom avy info? 04/06/11
Sobering to hear, glad everyone survived and can only wonder how many times I have been only a few feet or fractions of a PSI away from the same situation...

A question we should all ponder. Are we smart or just lucky?

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